Service Advice

Submitted: Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 12:56
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I am about to head off to Cape York in 4 weeks, and I havn't had a "paid for" service for about 15,000 kms, but I change the oil and both filters every 10k or so. I also greese the splines and universals, and check brake pads, oil levels in the diffs and transfer cases etc...

I have looked at the manual, everything it lists to check or change I have done, do you think a service is warranted? They are so expensive, and as I am out of warranty, and am doing it all myself, I dont see the need.

Comments?

I have a 2002 Jackaroo SE Diesel, 106,000kms.

Eric
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Reply By: Outbacktourer - Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 13:15

Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 13:15
I'm in the same boat myself, about to do the Kimberley in the Patrol. I'm not having a "service" but I'm taking it to my mechanic to put it up on the hoist and give it a good "look over" with his trained eye. We'll check the fluid levels again and make sure the wheel bearings are correctly adjusted on it and the trailer. Although like you I can handle a lot of stuff myself there is nothing like a trained eye to pick up things that may be not quite right by knowing where to look and what to look for before something actually goes wrong and you have to fix it, god knows where.

For mine, 1/2 an hour of his time is money well spent.
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Follow Up By: Johnny boy - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 11:13

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 11:13
Hi there
Just curious Does the book say every !0,000KM as it is a diesle and I have been doing mine every 5,000 km as many of my mates that own different mod diesles
as I said just curious??
Safe travelles

Regards J.B.
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 11:50

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 11:50
Book says 10,000K. I've been dropping the oil at 5000K and doing oil and filter at 10000K.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 12:29

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 12:29
Outback ,what is the point of dropping the oil and then putting fresh oil through a dirty filter ,?? bit like having a shower and putting on the same dirty clothes.,pointless.
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Follow Up By: Johnny boy - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 13:57

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 13:57
Wouldnt that give you about 97% clean fresh oil which cant be a bad thing to carry you till the next recomended change ???
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 16:18

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 16:18
Sorry Johnny Boy but it only gives you your 97% clean fresh oil for the exact amount of time it take for the new oil to pass through the dirty filter once ,totally a waste of time and $ changing the oil without a new filter.
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 16:23

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 16:23
"a bit like having a shower and putting on the same dirty clothes"

You mean you don't do that!!

Re: The oil change, I would agree it's not perfect, but it's a bit harsh to call it pointless. Service interval for the filter is 10,000K in any case. The way I look at it the filter (and engine) has fresh oil running through it twice as often which can't be a bad thing. Arguably you could probably stretch the filter to 15,000K doing this. Each to their own but the $35 it costs me to drop the oil only at 5000K seems worth it to me.
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 17:17

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 17:17
Outbacktourer , afraid that your theory is flawed ,the only reason to change the oil is that has become contaminated and the filter can no loger clean said oil of its contaminants ,just replacing the oil filter would be more benificial to the engine than putting fresh oil thru a dirty/clogged filter.
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 21:29

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 21:29
At the risk of becoming a pedant:

"the only reason to change the oil is that has become contaminated"

Yeah, that's why I change it.

" the filter can no lo(n)ger clean said oil of its contaminants"

What, at half it's service life with fresh oil and nothing to do?!!!

"just replacing the oil filter would be more benificial "

Dunno about that, you may well be correct, happy to agree; but I definitely do know that its a much bigger PITA, and you can quote me on that one...

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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 21:44

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 21:44
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What,at half it,s service life with fresh oil and nothing to do ? !!
that old chum is the whole crux of the matter ,the filter can not clean the oil any longer ,so you change the oil ,the filter cant clean the fresh oil either ,,time you looked into the archives on oil filters ,check out Roachies system , he,s oil lasts for over 30thou +,,, all filters ,oil does not wear out as such ,its the filters that stop filtering thats the problem !!!!!
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 22:06

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 22:06
"Early automobiles did not have any way of filtering oil. For this reason, along with the low standards to which lubricating oil was generally refined in the era, very frequent oil changes, on the order of every 500 miles (800km) or 1000 miles (1600 km) were often specified for early vehicles. As automotive technology advanced, the first oil filtration devices were developed, becoming widespread by the late 1920s." Wikipedia
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 22:21

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 22:21
"There were cars manufactured through the late 1960s that did not have oil filters at all. (Anyone have a 1960s-model Volkswagen or Fiat?) The first VW I saw with an oil filter was the water-cooled VW Rabbit in 1975." Machinery Lubrication
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Reply By: Battlecat - Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 14:11

Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 14:11
Hi,
If I was going on a trip I would agree that a professional look over is the go but I always make sure to do my own check afterwards as well as we all forget things and have bad days.
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Follow Up By: Merce - Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 20:38

Sunday, May 21, 2006 at 20:38
Yes you are right. It is also vey important to have a good look over your vehicle when you get back. Oils can become contaiminated and parts can be damaged. These things are a lot cheaper to fix before they turn into a major problem.
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 14:03

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 14:03
G'day Battlecat,

I had a recent experience where either ARB or Nissan forgot to reconnect my diff breather hose (and I didn't check - silly me). Found out going through water in Litchfield last year, a bluddy inconvenience having to find suitable oil and the means to get it into the diff in Katherine. Needed 2 changes (another in Kunnunura) to gid rid of all the moisture.

Kind regards
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Follow Up By: Battlecat - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 16:42

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 16:42
Yeah I know what you mean Beatit - I live in the Pilbara and I am always heading up to Broome and further in muddy roads - especially after cyclones - and I find that you always have to check you Trol after people have had a play with it. One thing that happened to me yesterday is the local Nissan dealer up here - not the best place to take you Trol for sure but they are the only ones who do warranty up here - they had changed my filter at some stage and got the seal around the airbox twisted which then let water, dust and crap into my air box. None went into the engine as the seal was good around the filter but made a mess of the filter. Always good to check - nice rig by the way :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Beatit (QLD) - Wednesday, May 24, 2006 at 08:34

Wednesday, May 24, 2006 at 08:34
Thanks mate and likewise I'm sure. I know the topic has had plenty of air time on EO but it is a dam disgrace the unprofessional attitude of some of these dealers/service centres. My last service is happening today 50,000K - not bad for a car I got in 2002. Mostly off road and the extended warranty expires in November, from here on in it will be something I'll do myself.

Kind regards
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Reply By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 08:48

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 08:48
If you are in RACQ or similar in whichever state, book it in for them to give it a once over ........ I have used them before and found they are great mind you it was not a 4x4 they looked at for me.

I think I only paid around $100 back then not sure what its worth now and got a full report.

Brian
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