Is the leaf front end better than coils?

Submitted: Monday, May 22, 2006 at 12:21
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I was asked this question by signman and thought I would open it for all to answer.

I have only had the Troopie for 20 months and have never owned a Troopie with coil front end.

We have had a lot come through on driver training with leaf and coil front ends, so I can compare them to each other from what I have seen on the test track.

The leaf front end vehicles are very ridged with little wheel travel. They do tend to lift wheels very easy. They also tend to lean over a bit so they do take a bit of getting use to.

The turning circle is very close to the Queen Mary and stops just as quick. They are not sports cars.

They are huge inside. Most have two post codes they are so big.

They will take a lot of weight and with the right suspension and will carry it with out sagging.

They tend to be hard on tyres because the suspension can be hard. You will feel every bump. They also tend to handle the corrugations very well.

Shackle bushes would have to be change on a regular basis. I have just changed mine after 12 months/ 50,000klm. "U" bolts would also have to be checked.

From what I have seen of other vehicles with coil front end they will also lift a wheel. This would have something to do with the leaf rear end not having as much wheel travel. The rear springs are longer and give a better ride. The coils in the front also stop the fillings from falling out.

Apart from the fact that the coil front end Troopies have the newer diesel motor and a few other features there is not that much difference body wise.

Do I think that the leaf is better that the coil front end?
For what I use the vehicle for at this time I would say the leaf is better for me. I will have to go coil front end one day, but I am not about to do a swap just now.

Owners of coil front end Troopies feel free to give your opinions on your vehicles.

BTW, When the new Troopies first come out we had one on a driver training course. Because it was new we all had a good look at the front suspension set up. While I had my head under the front guard I looked at the VIN.( Vehicle Identification Number). I then had to check the compliance plate under the bonnet.

The VIN went something like this. Model prefix then 00000000. It was the first 78 Series to have a compliance plate in Australia.

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Reply By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 13:05

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 13:05
Hi Wayne,
I guess as the former owner of a HJ47 or was it a HJ45 (83 model) 11 seater Troopy and now a brand new 78 Series RV TD Troopy I think I have some of the qualifications to comment.
The old Troopy had leaf springs all round and rode like a cart though it was better than my FJ40. It had the normally asphixiated 2H diesel. Never the first to arrive but hey, it always arrived!
It had the transmission mounted handbrake, discs on the front only. 5 speed gearbox, twin factory 90 litre tanks, all the good gear!
I always said the transmission handbrake was like testing matches, you’d spend hours getting it right and it’d work once. Just like testing matches.

Now the 78 Series, 2006 model RV with the factory TD. It rides well, very well on the front coils. I haven’t really tested the articulation to extremes but I do believe your comments are somewhat in line with my experience on the coils travel, more than the old leaf springs. Rear leaves are as you say longer than the old Troopies. Do they have more travel? Maybe, it wouldn’t be much if any but they definitely ride a little better.
The 4 wheel disc brakes are far superior in this Troopy to the old one, even the handbrake.
The engine, that engine! Goes like sheite off a shovel compared to the two 2H and the one 1HZ Landcruiser’s I have owned. Did I mention how good the engine is? Fuel economy after 7,000 k’s is in the low 11l/100km’s.

In the rig pic below you’ll see my old 2H tabletop carrying a 3 wheeled CJ5 Jeep. When we went to Cape York the venerable old 2H used $660 worth of diesel, that jeep used over $1,300 worth of Super. To be fair, that was in the days when diesel was priced according to what it cost to produce.

The bodies are identical to all but a trained Troopy eye. Such refinements as the sub tank gauge now being above the main gauge in the dash, no more pod in the dash centre. The power radio aerial now being in the left guard rather than the manual aerial in the right, that must be to clear the factory snorkel!

My dream retirement job is head of Troopy R&D for Toyota!

As far as I’m concerned, they where/are both great vehicles. I had some amazing adventures in the old Troopy and if I have half as many in the new one I’ll be wrapt.
The new one has 23 years of R&D on top of the old one!

Geoff.

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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 13:37

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 13:37
You forgot the most important thing of all Geoff M . I have quarter pane windows in my 75 series troopy and you dont in your 78 series .
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Follow Up By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 13:44

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 13:44
Glenno,
How could I forget the quarter pane windows?
My mate has a late 90's model Troopy with quarter panes. He calls mine the "gay bar loiterers" edition Troopy.
Other mate has an early 90's table top and he reckons a cruiser without quarter panes just isn't built right!

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Follow Up By: Frank_Troopy - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:15

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:15
Hey, my 78 series has quarter windows. I've even opened one of them once.... when I locked my keys inside.
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Follow Up By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:27

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:27
Frank,
True your Troopy may well have quarter windows, my 78 Series RV doesn't.
I think to keep the cost of the Turbo Diesel down they left off the high priced option of quarter windows. Or maybe my limp electric windows aren't compatible with quarter panes.

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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:31

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:31
ELECTRIC WINDOWS .
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Follow Up By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:44

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:44
Did I mention the central locking?
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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:49

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:49
I have central locking and 4 wheel disc brakes on my 75 series(nov98) . Figure that one out .
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Follow Up By: Frank_Troopy - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:50

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:50
Good grief Geoff. Have you no shame?
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Follow Up By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:51

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:51
Nope,
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Follow Up By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 09:25

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 09:25
How could I forget the cloth front bucket seat, the cloth rear seat and the carpet?
Bugger, I'm really selling the upmarket RV Troopy short.

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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 15:32

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 15:32
CARPET AND CLOTH SEATS . Depends on what you use it for i suppose . My troopy is for beach mainly so i have only floor mats that i can easily take out and hose the car out .
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 15:38

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 15:38
The interior of the RV is a bit of a pain when you've only ever had vinyl interior Landcruiser's in the past. I'm learning to live with it.
Mine too see's a fair bit of time on the beach,

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Follow Up By: glenno(qld) - Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 16:02

Tuesday, May 23, 2006 at 16:02
I dont actually mean vinyl interior . I ripped that out and now just have a few rubber floor mats . Bloody rust .
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Reply By: glenno(qld) - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 13:32

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 13:32
Quote"Most have two post codes they are so big." Now that i have a troopy the wife wants to take so much S%!t that i think i need an OKA .
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Follow Up By: Geoff M (Newcastle, NSW) - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:12

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:12
Isn't that the truth!
My ex and two daughters firmly believe anything bigger than a shoe box is infinitely large and unfillable!
Not a one of them has a clue what the Tardis is but that doesn't stop them from treating everything like the Tardis!
Actually, thinking about it there are three things in this world bigger on the inside than the out, womens handbags, haversacks and Dr Who's Tardis.

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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:43

Monday, May 22, 2006 at 14:43
Geoff M ,definitly one more thing that holds more ,motor cycle pannier bags !!! my swmbo took 10 pairs of shoes/boots on a 10day m/cycle trip.
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