Black Power Steering Fluid
Submitted: Monday, May 29, 2006 at 06:24
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Member - Hughesy (SA)
When I picked up the cruiser (and there is a story with that) I noticed that the PS fluid was as black as engine oil. I promptly bought a 5L container of ATF and flushed the system. The oil was fairly clean after doing this put within 100km was completely black again. Any ideas on whats causing this??
The level hasn't increased in the last 700km so I don't think its contamination from the engine. Still steers OK and doesn't make any noises.
Got me stuffed.
Reply By: Member - John R (NSW) - Monday, May 29, 2006 at 07:07
Monday, May 29, 2006 at 07:07
Black is usually from the blades in the pump wearing (if it's a vane type pump). From memory, the blades are made of some sort of composite impregnated with graphite.
Some discolouring is normal, but how much - haven't got a clue. You could try flushing it a couple of more times (if it's high km), but personally I wouldn't be too concerned. The only other thing I could think of is hose deterioration, but I think that would be extremely unlikely.
Hope you sort it out.
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Reply By: traveller2 - Monday, May 29, 2006 at 08:09
Monday, May 29, 2006 at 08:09
Might be worth getting it looked at as the power steering pump on the 1HZ is on the front of the crankcase and 'could' be contaminated by engine oil if something has gone wrong. I've worked on several 1hz's with mileage far higher and much older than yours which still had original clean fluid.
If the black is coming from within the power steering system it isn't good.
Draining and flushing does only change some of the fluid each time unless the engine is running and the return line is disconnected and run into a bucket and someone is pouring new fluid into the reservoir.
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Reply By: Member - Hughesy (SA) - Monday, May 29, 2006 at 09:36
Monday, May 29, 2006 at 09:36
Yeah I flushed thru the full 5L of ATF by disconnecting the low pressure return line and stop starting the engine and collecting the dirty fluid in a little container and topping the reseviour up until it started coming out fairly clean (flattened the battery in the process).
I would have thought if one of the seals in the pump where it drives off the engine had failed then the power steering fluid would have been pumped into the engine not the other way around. But as I said the level hasn't changed so its got me buggered.
Might have to give Mr Toyota a ring and see if they can shed anymore light on the subject.
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Follow Up By: Sarg - Monday, May 29, 2006 at 22:00
Monday, May 29, 2006 at 22:00
Eng oil is being forced into the PS pump. The seal between the pump drive mount & eng is leaking.(Eng oil pressure being greater than whats in the PS pump body)
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Follow Up By: Member - Hughesy (SA) - Tuesday, May 30, 2006 at 06:18
Tuesday, May 30, 2006 at 06:18
Thanks Sarg, I was hoping it wouldn't be that. Now I've seen resealing kits for the PS pump for under $50. Have you done one before and how hard is the job??
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