Caravan crash in WA

Submitted: Thursday, Jun 01, 2006 at 22:32
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Just drove past a nasty van crash this arvo between Badgingarra and Eneabba. A new gold coloured Jeep Cherokee Sports and what was left of a brand spanking caravan upside down and very written off lying in the middle of the road. The skid marks showed it got out of control around a downhill bend and went from one shoulder to the other quite a few times before flipping. Scary stuff. Cops and distressed friends in attendance. I was waved on by a cop and didn't want to rubberneck so that's about all I can tell you. Hope they are all OK.

Please be careful out there folks and if you tow, take it seriously. Mightn't be popular here, but I think you should have an endorsement on your MDL to tow anything. This huge van towed by tiny vehicle fad worries me too.

Glad I stopped for lunch in Geraldton on the way down. Without that 20 minute break, my trip may well have turned out very differently.
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Reply By: Member - George (WA) - Thursday, Jun 01, 2006 at 22:38

Thursday, Jun 01, 2006 at 22:38
I have seen some badly loaded caravans with all the weight in the back of the van. Usually a recipe for disaster. Hopefully they were OK, you can always replace machiney but not a life
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Follow Up By: Member- Rox (WA) - Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 19:42

Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 19:42
Remember it's double demerits this weekend in WA
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Follow Up By: A.J - Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 20:00

Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 20:00
Should be double all the time and quadruple on public hols, fines should also be the same, if you cant't afford the habbit, don't do it!
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Reply By: Motherhen - Thursday, Jun 01, 2006 at 23:44

Thursday, Jun 01, 2006 at 23:44
Can happen easily. A couple of years ago we were following 1 car behind a fairly new large car and what looked like a brand new boat. Straight flat road, 3 laned dual carriageway in Rockingham area. We saw the boat get a bit of a wobble up, and the guy must have got it all wrong, because the swaying got worse and a few seconds later, his brand new boat lay smashed on the road sideways blocking all three lanes of the highway. Speed of traffic at the time was probably around 80 kms.
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Reply By: revhead307 - Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 00:16

Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 00:16
I came accross a rolled van above carnarvon 5 years ago, Driver had swerved for a roo???? 11pm at night.

everyone was alright luckily..but i stayed with them until the cops arrived (about an hour and half later) and winched the van off the middle off the road at police request.

Agree about the seriousness of the issue V8Diesel.

Rev

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Reply By: traveller2 - Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 08:10

Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 08:10
Reminds me of the time we came across a caravan towed by a Magna (front wheel drive) just west of Fitzroy Crossing on the way to Derby. The driver had dropped the LH wheels into the dirt when faced with a 3 trailer roadtrain coming from the opposite direction, then lost it, the truckie pulled to the left off the road in attempt to miss them, the whole rig ended up on its side 50 yards off the road with the car and van underneath. Somehow the people in the car survived but it was about a foot high. The truckie was very bleep off to say the least.
Why aren't people towing vans required to have the same licence qualifications as heavy vehicle drivers?
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Reply By: V8Diesel - Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 09:21

Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 09:21
Listened to the ABC this morning and to my great relief there was no nasty news about it. As mentioned above, machinery can be replaced - people can't.

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Reply By: Willem - Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 09:32

Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 09:32
Yep crashes happen

A certain percentage of us will be involved in a road crash sometime. Thats life.

Licences for towing? Hmm......

Must I have one for the 6x4 as well?
Will this stop people towing vans at 110kmh?
Will this stop people from loading vans incorrectly?
Will this stop people from overloading vans?
Will this stop people from towing large vans with small vehicles?
Will this stop the towing nomads from driving close together?
Will this stop people from using common sense?

I doubt it.
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 09:55

Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 09:55
Valid point (unfortunately).

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Follow Up By: seqfisho - Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 10:39

Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 10:39
I'm with you Willem

A license and posted speed limits doesnt mean that everyone is still capable

You cant legistate for common sense

Some have got it and others well...........

The Darwin theory

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Follow Up By: Peter - Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 20:20

Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 20:20
Bit concerned when we start calling for special licences. When Scruby mentioned this for 4wds there was all sorts of outcries. Where would we draw the line? Would you need a special licence if your van exceeded 12' for example? What would the appropriate size be? Many well setup camper trailers would weigh as much, or more, than smaller vans such as a Reo. What about people who load their 6x4 trailer up with rocks or sand/soil? It's possible to get a licence in a 2 door coupe and then sell that and hop into a people mover carrying 8 people with no extra training or restrictions.
Only a couple of caravan mishaps have been reported here. So far this year the Fire Service in Brisbane has responded to in excess of 5000 motor vehicle accidents (I work for QFRS). To my knowledge none of those accidents involved caravans. Why then if there are only a few caravan incidents do we ignore all these other accidents and mention the odd ones? Maybe 'normal' drivers need better licencing regulation?
Yes I do tow a caravan. I'm in the process of upgrading from a 15' to a 21'6" van. Having driven trucks with trailers in the Army I'm aware of the differences in vehicle handling etc. When travelling with the new van I probably won't be sitting on 100kmh a lot of the time. I will drive to the conditions, no doubt because of that I will be accused of causing traffic chaos and driving a 'road block'. So be it, I would rather arrive alive than not at all
Peter
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Reply By: Scubaroo - Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 09:38

Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 09:38
Saw a Jeep Grand Cherokee and 20+ foot caravan in an accident in California on a steep winding descent - came across the accident maybe 2-3 minutes after it had happened - about five other vehicles had stopped to offer assistance, and the family of four were still sitting in the Jeep looking VERY shocked. What was left of the caravan was upside down and flattened, but the Jeep had done a complete rollover judging by the side and roof damage - but was back upright.

The impressive thing about the accident was that the Jeep was an obvious rightoff after the rollover - but the passenger cell was totally intact and still "straight" - everyone was still in their seat wearing their seatbelts with dazed looks on their faces. Have seen plenty of pictures of other 4WDs where the roof has been flattened to to tops of the drivers seats in rollovers.
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Follow Up By: seqfisho - Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 10:41

Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 10:41
Still something to be said about older technology and lots of steel

Glen.
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Follow Up By: Member - ROTORD - Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 11:46

Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 11:46
and cargo barriers which perform like roll cages
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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 15:20

Friday, Jun 02, 2006 at 15:20
Common sense - yes, that reminds me of an accident a few years ago. We saw remains of a caravan on the road near our south coast property - it happened on a very windy day, when going across a bit of a valley; the caravan had just blown over. Some eastern stater's dream was bleep tered, and the local shire ending up by burning the wreckage so passer bys wouldn't think it a new accident as cars stopping was adding to the traffic hazard. I don't think bad driving played a part - just perhaps they should have had the common sense to park for a day or two instead of driving in severe winds. I don't know what sort of caravan it was - i saw it after it was burnt and pushed right off the road, and feeling for the owners, didn't want to take a closer look.
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