Honda Generators

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A quick questions considering a gen set, looking at running a computer and maybe some lights or a battery charger at most, not all at one time.

I am looking at a honda 10 with inverter or would a 20 with inverter be a better option.

I dare say there are pro's and con's to having one. If anyone has either what views do you have are they worth the $$$$ or not.

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Reply By: Bob Creasy - Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 16:06

Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 16:06
I use a honda gen set and run it through the camper thence to the computor, I have had no promblems with the 240V the gen set has a eco setting wich I use plus there is a flood light on at the same time
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Reply By: Rosco - Qld - Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 16:07

Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 16:07
G'day Brian

I'm a tad confused here mate. If you get a Honda genny, why would you need an inverter??

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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 16:38

Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 16:38
Hi Roscoe,
I think he means the EU10i or EU20i Inverter style Honda generators.
As opposed to some of the older style Honda generators.

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Reply By: Mike Harding - Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 16:15

Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 16:15
If you're set on a Honda that's fine but the Kipors have been getting very good reports on here and are considerably cheaper. See E-bay.

If space, weight and cost are not major issues it's usually better to go for a larger gen than you think you need; makes it more flexible. If the Honda 10 is a 1KW set it will easily power all of the above at the same time in fact my $98 550W GMC would do that albeit with rather more noise :)

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Reply By: BBB - Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 16:17

Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 16:17
Brian

I have the Honda 20 it will operate a M/Wave, Air Con, 50amp charger and almost any thing you would need to run .

However they are not as quite as you may think they are as loud as any lawnmower when under a large load whitch the shops wont show you.

If you are only running lights or small loads they are very quite.

I have had no problems with mine stats first pull every time.

I think ther is a couple of hundred dolars differance between the two so I would by the larger 20 and you will not be disapionted.

Good Luck

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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 17:06

Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 17:06
Hi Brian,
I own two Honda EU10i generators and the cable to run them in parallel as opposed to a single EU20i.
Why, it suits my needs. Quite oftern I don't need the output of a 20i when a 10i will suffice.
Other times I do need the extra power and can live with the extra bulk of two 10i's.
A pair of 10i's will output ever so slightly more than a 20i and doesn't use that much more fuel or create noticeably more noise.
Great generators the Inverter Honda's.

My advice is look at your current needs and try to make an educated guess on your future needs.
If current plus future exceeds the sizing of the EU10i then go for the EU20i. If it doesn't exceed the output of the EU10i then that will be fine.

A comment if paralleling is important then the Honda is to my knowledge the only one on the market capable of running in parallel with another of its capacity. For example you can parallel two EU10i's safely. Or you can parallel a pair of EU20i's safely. But NOT an EU10i with an EU20i.
I will qualify the above and say I've not researched the Yamaha with a view to paralleling.

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Follow Up By: Flash - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 08:46

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 08:46
Geezus,
$2,800 worth of Honda's for 2Kva- that's an awful lot of $$$ for your setup.
However, I'm sure it works well.
Me however,- I paid $899 for a 2Kva Kipor Inverter Genny and couldn't be happier. Have checked it's output on my oscilloscope under varying loads and it beaut!
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 09:15

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 09:15
Where did I say I paid $2,800 for the two Honda's?
I actually paid about the same for both EU10i's as a single EU20.

As you say, it works. The nub of your statement, "couldn't be happier"
Like Engel v's Waeco and all that other rot. The man asked a Honda question and oddly enough I supplied a Honda answer.

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Follow Up By: Peter - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 21:37

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 21:37
I have a Yamaha 2400iS, also comes with parallel cable ability. Also has higher average ouput than the Honda (Honda 1650w Yamaha 2000w). A bit quieter but also a bit bulkier (31kg).
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 21:54

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 21:54
Peter,
Thanks for the information, I've learn't something tonight.

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Reply By: Member- Rox (WA) - Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 18:03

Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 18:03
The fuel tank will last 7 hours 2.1 lts. we used it to charge bateries bread maker, drill, even the home fridge. Depends on your news. They're good. I wouldn't buy a cheep $99 one. But thats me. Each to our own.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 18:11

Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 18:11
Yeah, the cheap ones would have their place though. I wouldn't mind a cheap one if I had the room to just run my 3 stage for longer stays. But seeings as I don't have the space, I just rely on the 210amp hours off bat's and alternator.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 19:37

Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 19:37
Well said Jeff.

The _only_ thing I use my GMC gen for is to recharge a battery via a 3 stage charger, why would I pay $1500 to do that when I can do it for $98? And as I always stay in remote places the additional noise of the GMC over the Honda is not an issue - at least I have had no complaints from the wombats so far :)

Horses for courses….

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Follow Up By: Steve - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 10:11

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 10:11
Mike, Do you reckon the GMC will harm my (Projector 600w) inverter if I run stuff off it? ie: GMC>Inverter>Laptop or kid's gameboys or would it be safer running it thru the car's socket to recharge?

Also, I was led to believe that the GMCs were no noisier than the Hondas. Maybe it depends on load.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 12:07

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 12:07
I wouldn't run an inverter directly from any generator - no point. why not just use the 240V outlet? Additionally the GMC 12V output (and probably others gens too) is pretty rough and ready and just intended for battery charging, it may exceed the maximum input voltage of your inverter.

I think the GMC makes a _lot_ more noise than a small Honda. Even in remote bush I ensure it's 50 or 60m away from camp, I think it would drive you mad having it going all day 10m away.

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Follow Up By: Steve - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 15:39

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 15:39
Mike: excuse the ignorance here mate, but doesn't the 240v run rough as well or is it, by it's very nature, safe?
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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 15:50

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 15:50
A lot of people seem to knock the little Bunnings GMC's. I have the 950w one & I decided yesterday to give it a run after about 6 mths and after turning on the fuel tap( always run it dry) & giving it 3 pulls to get the fuel to the carby, off it went. Stopped it & pulled the rope about 2 inches & it flew into life again. Tried this 4 times with the same result. These generators come out of the Yamaha Factory in China, don't believe me, go into a Yamaha Outboard Dealer & look at their gen set's at 3 times the price, the same as. Beside where can you get a 2 year warranty with a back to base return for a new one! . Sure they smoke a little, might'nt be as electrical clean & quiet as the Honda's but I can buy about 5 or 6 of them for the same price as the H. What surprised me was that I ran a power saw off it one day & it coffed & f-rted but kept going. Decided to look at the saw rating & was surprised to see it was 1250w. I think they may be a bit underated in output. Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 18:09

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 18:09
>Mike: excuse the ignorance here mate

Nothing to excuse Steve, nobody knows everything :)

>but doesn't the 240v run rough as well or is it, by it's
>very nature, safe?

My measurements of my 550W gen indicate that it holds a pretty good 240V and 50Hz (others have posted info. which supports this). However like any generator which is subject to a significant load change it takes time to recover and stabilise – the modern gens with electronically controlled systems will be better in this respect – so if, for example, I plug in (or remove) a 300W load I would expect my gen to hunt around a bit before it stabilises again and it is possible some equipment may be bothered by this, in general anything with a switch mode power supply won’t mind but motors would fluctuate slightly and lights would dim and/or brighten. The way around this, if it’s a concern (and if you have $2k of notebook computer plugged in it probably is :) is to use a 4 way power board and ensure that before you plug/unplug any heavy load you unplug any delicate expensive items. In the real world this issue rarely causes problems – but it could…. It’s also the reason why you should never start or stop any generator (including the expensive ones) with equipment plugged in.

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Follow Up By: Steve - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 19:41

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 19:41
So, a four-way powerboard with surge protector (I presume) for 240v use, and the 12v for re-charging the battery.

Cheers - that'll do me.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 20:48

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 20:48
Well... "surge protectors" are better than a sock in the face with a wet fish, but not by much :) Otherwise just ensure you disconnect expensive stuff before you connect/disconnect big loads and I would suggest Honda/Yamaha/Kipor owners do the same - but they are probably a bit (although not as much as they may think) safer than we poverty stricken GMC owners :)

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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Sunday, Jun 11, 2006 at 11:22

Sunday, Jun 11, 2006 at 11:22
And I think what everyone is forgetting on here is that if you live in WA and have ever stuck a multimeter in a powerpoint in your home, you'd probally be like me and be more comfortable pluging your sensitive equipment into the GMC!

The power in WA bucks and boosts all over the place, all the time! Everything in my house still works!
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Reply By: extfilm - Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 18:22

Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 18:22
Hi,
I have the eu10 and I love it........ I run my fridge when I am stopped, charge my laptop without an inverter as they are designed to give u clean AC power........ Plus a big advantage is they have a battery charger built in as well....
Mine is incredibly quiet and have used it in National parks during the day but I will always make sure there is no one camped close and I will always walk around to see how much noise it makes....... All u hear is a hum......
Do not get a 2 stroke or a cheap one....... They are good in there applications such as building sites.....
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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 18:24

Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 18:24
We chose the Honda 20i for running the air con. Considered getting a 3 kva or running 2 x 20is in tandem, but shop said the 20i will do the job. Light and easy to carry, easy to start, quiet. Camped near others using this model and didn't know it was still running when we were inside the caravan, whereas every other type we parked near was easily heard when we were inside. Got an inverter type so we could use it for sensitive equipment if needed.

Look at the maximum draw of what you want to run, or may add in the future, then decide between the 1 or 2 accordingly.

We used to camp with a 1 kva Yamaha - not the sound proofed type, just for the Engel and a light or two, but it wouldn't run an electric fry pan. We used to camp alone, and run it out into the bush as far as the cord would let us!
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Reply By: arofs1 - Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 18:33

Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 18:33
Hi Brian

I agonized between a Honda and a Kipor for months, but eventually bought a Kipor, because it seemed the best value for money, as the Honda was then $2300 and the Kipor through ebay $899 + postage, I have no regrets. If you changed the Kipor yellow for the Honda red they are nearly identical and my research indicated that many if not most parts are resourced from the same factory.

If you think you will never need more than the 1kva then go for it, but the 2000ti is to me the best value for money. It has 15 amp points and from what I have found can do what the Honda can do. I tried it with my mates Heron airconditioner and it ran it just as good as his honda 2kva. I also use it for running my power tools when camping on a family property and some use more than the 1kva limit.

I certainly do not say that it is better than the Honda, but value for money I think you can't go past it.

They are both good machines and I am sure whatever you choose you will be happy.

Brian DJ

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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 19:44

Friday, Jun 09, 2006 at 19:44
Yeah I gotta say I think those Kipors are pretty damn good considering the much cheaper price. We ran a 2400w heater off my old man's 2kva and it still kept on going. Pretty impressed. They do get a little loud on full load, but considering your getting 2kva + the noise is very acceptable. Starts bloody easy too.
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Reply By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 07:23

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 07:23
Did you know H++da units come out of the En++L factory.

I was selling the En++L units until I was told they were suppling me by mistake and BCF and a few selected others can only sell the En++L units due to a contract with H++da.

I have one 1kv left at cost for you Brian if you would like it.

Sorry I missed you at the show.
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 12:43

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 12:43
I will be in touch and get the info

Thanks
Brian
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Reply By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 12:50

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 12:50
Thanks for all your advise people ......... I'm not looking at air cons or heaters ............. I'm just simply looking at using it for laptop, lights (maybe), charger for my electric motor batteries, charger for camera batteries, maybe the fridge which most likely will be the explorer. It would only be used when camped for a few days.

Not interested in the cheapies $100 specials (no offence to anyone that has one) I believe you get what you pay for.

Thanks
Brian
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Reply By: hopscotch - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 13:50

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 13:50
Brian,
I have a Honda 10 which has run for about 10hours all up. I took it on our CT as a back up to the batteries and only had to use it twice in four months when it was very hot and we were stopped at the one site. Also bought it because of the laptop and recharging the battery. Laptop now runs directly from DC and we have moved to a caravan so I'm thinking I might sell the 10 and buy a 20 later on if we find we need a generator at all. It depends entirely upon what you do and how you operate your particular camping style. I'm on the Sunshine Coast - currently raining very nicely thank you - and can be contacted at hopscotch@flexinet.com.au
Kevin J
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Reply By: Flash - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 16:37

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 16:37
Brian,
somehing to consider if you're thinking of the 2Kva....
It's bad for any genny to run on very low power for too long, as it glazes the bore.
A Friend had this problem with his Honda 2Kva and it was NOT covered by warranty.
ie: it's not such a good idea to get bigger than you need.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 18:16

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 18:16
That's a bit of a worry. I would expect a quality product like the Honda to be happy running on a 5% or 10% load. Do Honda issue a warning about this _before_ you buy the gen? Are you sure he used the correct oil, especially during the running in period?

Mike Harding

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Follow Up By: Flash - Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 22:50

Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 22:50
Mike,
Yes correct was oil used.
I don't think any of them really warn of this problem, but ask any dealer who's been around for a while.... It's just as likely to affect ANY brand I believe.
For that matter ANY piston engine does not like long periods of little or no load, as eventually one ends up with glazed bores.
I've seen it on just about every type of engine over the years, from aeroplane engines (Continental) thru to Briggs and Stratton, and everything in between.
I also know of a low mileage 100 series Landcruiser diesel with that problem...... turns out it was used by the cops as a speed camera vehicle (Many hours sitting at idle to run the aircon).
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Reply By: wheeleybin - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 18:37

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 18:37
Can anyone tell me how pure the Honda sinewave is or the exact waveform as they will not run a Dometic Washing Machine that needs pure sinewave.
Ian
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 19:28

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 19:28
Hello Ian,
You've intrigued me now, I've got to know the answer to your question.
I've just paralleled a pair of EU10i's and connected the Fisher & Paykel Smart Drive up. If anything is going to be fussy about power it should be the Smart Drive.
Loaded the washing and set it all running, so far so good.
I'll let you know later how it goes.

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Follow Up By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 20:38

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 20:38
Well at least you have pleased the wife.

But don't let her make you do the ironing.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 21:00

Saturday, Jun 10, 2006 at 21:00
Well Derek,
First thing,
I do the ironing anyway!
Second thing,
The EU10i's finished the washing without any drama.
Why did I use the parallel pair? To lazy to pull the washing machine out to check its rating!
Would one EU10i have done the job? Probably as one had run out of fuel somtime before halfway through the project.
What did all this prove? My pair of EU10i's will do one load of washing in my Fisher & Paykel Smart Drive washer.
Did it answer Ian's question, no idea. Ask him!

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Follow Up By: Derek from Affordable Batteries & Radiators - Sunday, Jun 11, 2006 at 06:28

Sunday, Jun 11, 2006 at 06:28
Yes I agree the Honda's are great.

My Eu20i is one of my best accessories.

Quiet, reliable and starts first pull.

Regards Derek.
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Reply By: wheeleybin - Sunday, Jun 11, 2006 at 08:11

Sunday, Jun 11, 2006 at 08:11
Geoff
You can be further intrigued as they definately will not run a DOMETIC FRONT LOADER WASHING MACHINE so the magic machine is not so magic and unless you try one you will have to stay intrigued.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Sunday, Jun 11, 2006 at 13:17

Sunday, Jun 11, 2006 at 13:17
Ian,
That looks like one question I'm not going to know the answer.
I'd have thought the Fisher & Paykel would have been particularly sensitive seeing it too contains a variation of an inverter.
Must be something quite odd inside the front loader!!

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Reply By: wheeleybin - Sunday, Jun 11, 2006 at 13:42

Sunday, Jun 11, 2006 at 13:42
To prove the point we tried 3 different Honda Inverter units and none would run the Dometic we then put it on the combi sine wave unit that you saw and it run it no problems.
The Dometic needs a capacitor installed to accept the Honda so I question the wave form.
Im still to find a gen that will run the Dometic as I have asked all Inverter gen suppliers to explain the wave form of their unit and none can so I think the use of the term Inverter Generator is loosely applied.
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