Isuzu : Camira : Gemini

Submitted: Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 17:55
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Does anyone know the link between the above? If any.
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Reply By: STEVE069 - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 17:57

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 17:57
Hi, they all have Isuzu motors.
Steve
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Follow Up By: signman - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 18:05

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 18:05
Did the Camira have Isuzu motor?? I thought it had a Starfire Four Aussie motor- a 4 cyl cut down of the early Blue Commodore engine!!!
A real dog of a motor...in a dog of a car (I think GMHs biggest embarrasment)...
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Follow Up By: STEVE069 - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 18:14

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 18:14
Hi signman, yes it did have the Isuzu motor, the sunbird and toranas had the starfire even some commodors got it. but the camera also got another OHC motor but cant remember what it was.

Steve
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 18:19

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 18:19
Yes a real pig the Camira was. Not many of them left on the roads. Car of the year too. Wheels sure knew how to pick them.
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Follow Up By: STEVE069 - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 18:25

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 18:25
Why do you need the information?
Steve
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 18:50

Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 18:50
One other car got that 1.9 litre boat anchor of a motor...the corona....some of them anyway....kind of a swap for the lexan body...haha
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Follow Up By: boogyman - Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 20:50

Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 20:50
car of the year was the 2 litre engine model. they finally got it right but the damage had been done by its predecessors.my one of them and my jack have been the most reliable cars (2nd hand ) i have owned
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Follow Up By: Brew69(SA) - Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 21:13

Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 21:13
Sorry boogyman but the 2 litre model was the JE which came out in 1987. The Wheels car of the year award went to the JB in 1982.(1.6)
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Follow Up By: STEVE069 - Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 21:47

Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 21:47
Hi all, I hope we get to the end of the camera debate soon its starting to look like a engle,tyers,toyota,nissan type of debate. I fly back to work on thursday morning and have no internet to play with, I want to know how the story ends.

Steve
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Reply By: WDR - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 18:28

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 18:28
The Camira especially has a dreadful reputation - Was it the motor?

If you think the Camira was bad for GM in Aust watch some of the Korean vehicles they are now sourcing. It could be interesting.
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 19:14

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 19:14
The last of the camiras had a ohc motor fitted ,sourced by GM. It was the same engine used in the holden astra, and the Nissan pulsars. In the pulsar it was the most reliable engine you could get !. ( daughter had one) but in the camira it was hopeless different electrical set up I think .

Axle.
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser (NSW) - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 20:51

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 20:51
And the current Astras and Vectras have the same bottom end.
Just different head.
I had to rebuild a 2.2 Vectra and it took all Camira parts.
No wonder they are all Chit.
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Reply By: gbdid - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 19:49

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 19:49
I think that you will find that the family II motor for the camira was made in Australia at fishermans bend plant and exported to europe as well.
This quote from unique cars and parts web site. The typo is not mine! atmo surely is auto.
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"The atmo was imported from GM's HydraMatic division in the USA (the Turbo-HydraMatic). Powering the Camira was the Family II 4 cylinder engine being manufactured at the Fishermans Bend facility."
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Reply By: Member - John R (NSW) - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 20:32

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 20:32
The Sunbird, Torana AND Toyota ST141 Corona had the Misfire 4....Sorry, Starfire 4. An Aussie invention (sadly).......1900cc(?) of pure nothing....

The JB Camira (THE "World" Car, as Holden marketed it back in 82) was largely an Opel design. Most of it was Australian built, except the gearbox and a few other minor bits, which came from Isuzu.

It was uniquely the first car in Australia to use the front and rear windscreens as structural members ala as most of our vehicles do today. It also had the thinnest rear windscreen of any car I'd ever seen, at 3.2mm! you could do impersonations of Rolf Harris with one!

Basically, it was a bleep box....
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Follow Up By: Member - John R (NSW) - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 20:34

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 20:34
I got bleeped!.

The JB Camira had an Australian engine of 1600cc, not an Isuzu. The Misfire 4 was 1900cc from memory.
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Reply By: Jimbo - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 21:37

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 21:37
The facts as I recall them, and I'll bet a beer or two on it.

The "Starfire" four was a cut down version of the 173 ci (2850 cc) venerable Red Motor. In essence, 4 of 6 cylinders from a motor that first saw service in 1963. It was a dog and GMH actually fitted it to the VH Commodore in 1981. Toyota also fitted this heap of dung to hatch back Coronas to satisfy the local production requirements of the time.

The poxy unit fitted to Sunbirds (what an abortion of a car) was a two litre "cam in head" design from Isuzu that was technically inept, and performed accordingly.

The Camira (touted as the "J" car to change the world) originally started out with a 1600 cc motor that grew to 1800cc and finally 2 litres. The motors were produced at Fisherman's Bend in Vic. The bloody things revved like there was no tomorrow and were quite lively at the time.

GMH has put up some awful offerings over the years. Of all the turds they have offered, the Camira and HB Torana stand out as the worst vehicles to hit Australian roads.
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 23:35

Monday, Jun 12, 2006 at 23:35
Ahh. But it was the Calibra that was so bad that GM had to buy them back off several severely unhappy customers.

The pick of the peeved customers to really make their point though was just after the Yanks moved into the mid east to help the Kuwaitis.

The MD at the Bend at the time was advised by intelligence types to take a different route to work every day. He and several yankee bigwigs were given the same advice at several companies. Executive Assistants were advised to be wary of suspiscious packages.

Well one morning the mail arrived for the MD. The Exec was on the ball having just read the memo - and detected a package that "smelt funny".

The package was taken down to the executive dining room kitchen an placed carefully on the big stainless bench and the whole of Plant 3 (engineering) was evacuated.

We stood outside for over an hour and a half - maybe longer. The police and fireys came out of the woodwork.

They tried for ages to contact the "return to sender" address. No luck. Sent the local police out to the property in NSW from memory. Farmer brown was down in the back paddock. He admitted sending the package. Unashamedly.

He had a VN commodore that had done maybe 100,000km (can't remember but it was out of warranty from memory) and it was on it's SEVENTH fuel pump.

He was might pi$$ed off about it given that they were not cheap and he was paying for it. So he asked the dealer for the faulty one back on the seventh occasion and promptly mailed it to the Managing Director for a please explain. The odd smell the secretary detected was fuel. :o)

Unintentionally shutting down engineering for a few hours probably cost a few hundred thousand dollars. I'm guessing he made his point more than he could possibly have hoped for.

A small win for the little man....

Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - John R (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 06:45

Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 06:45
My company turboed a brand new JB (JunkBox) as a promo for a local mob who manufactured body kits(!)

The thing went like bleep off a greasy slate! I remember driving it from Taren Pt to North Ryde for a motor show in record time. It was a lot of fun, but I could just tell the thing wouldn'y last long.

50000km before the engine carked.

Didn't the HB Torana have a lawn mower engine? :-) You could carry the tiny 4 cyl under one arm!
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Follow Up By: 1arm - Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 12:04

Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 12:04
the starfire was fitted to a VC commodore.
I know because I was unfortunate enough to own one.
Evan
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Follow Up By: Jimbo - Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 20:57

Tuesday, Jun 13, 2006 at 20:57
Very true Evan,

From memory they then stuck a 5 speed manual (revolutionary at the time) behind it in the VH to improve its appeal. It failed, as it should have.
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Reply By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Wednesday, Jun 14, 2006 at 23:05

Wednesday, Jun 14, 2006 at 23:05
Gemini had an Isuzu motor of 1.6 litre carburetted form and later FWD versions had a different 1.5 litre in EFI (IIRC). The early body was shared across Isuzu and GM/H, but with different internal minor trim items. The later Gemeni (FWD) was sourced soley from Isuzu. The name for the Gemini car was coined as a reflection of the co-operation that GM/H and Isuzu had in developing it.

Camira (J Car) had the "Family IV" engine in capacities from 1.6-2.0 liters, in carburetted/single point EFI/Multiple point EFI. This engine I believe iswas still being produced and exported (until recently, may have stopped due to "Alloytec" production???) and is still in service in some GM/Daewoo products. The Camira was exported as TKD kits to Isuzu Japan and some other countries (US??, Europe, Africa).

That's about as far back as my recollection goes.....

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