Troopie Recovery points

Submitted: Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 10:58
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Hi All,
I recently got a 2005 troopie ute. It has a bull bar on the front and while preparing for a short trip noticed it has no rated recovery points and the tie downs (not that I would use these for a recovery anyway) had been removed to fit the bull bar. There does not appear to be a place where they can be easily attached. Where are they normally put?

Steve
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Reply By: stevesub - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 11:59

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 11:59
Tis a problem with the Troopy. Maybe Toyota expected them to never get stuck.

On our Troopy, I replaced all the bull bar bolts with high tensile bolts and have mounted recovery hooks low bown on the bull bar. Not entirely satisfactory in my mind but all I could do and even a 4WD accessory shop/workshop could suggest nothing else.

I hope someone has a more satisfactory answer.

Likewise the 2000 Rangie (our 2nd 4WD) has a less than satisfactory front recovery point and there seems to be no answer for that one as well.

Stevesub
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:05

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:05
Hi Stevesub,
I hope so to. It is just a bit weird. If you want to use a winch block you would also have a problem. We are doing the CSR later in the year and the most likely snatch is forward.

Steve
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Reply By: TROOPYMAN A.D. 1998 - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:02

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:02
There is nowhere on the front of a troopy (ute or troopcarrier) to put "rated recovery points" if a bullbar has been fitted . Been thru all that . Went to ARB and they looked at the front end and said the same thing . It doesnt matter how much you look at it or get told different by other people the end result is always the same . There is nowhere to put one . It annoys me too .
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:07

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:07
Hi Troopyman,
What do you do if you want to use a winch block or snatch forward? We are going along the CSR later in the year so most likely snatch is forward.

Steve
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Follow Up By: TROOPYMAN A.D. 1998 - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:10

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:10
The only thing i have ever come up with is a hayman reece type towbar for the front . Cost about $800 .
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:11

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:11
Ouch. Looks like I better not get stuck anywhere.
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Follow Up By: TROOPYMAN A.D. 1998 - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:17

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:17
Fortunately i have a warn high mount winch , dual batteries , PRT sand anchor etc . There are 2 eyes welded under my toyota winch bar . I dont think i would like to use these as there is no rating stamped on or near them . You cannot be too fanatical about winch gear/recovery points safety .
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:23

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:23
That was the main reason I was not keen on the original ones. They looked like tiedowns to me. It is a bit odd no one has sorted this out before.
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Follow Up By: TROOPYMAN A.D. 1998 - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:48

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 12:48
I think the eyes are more for attaching a hilift jack (another useless piece of equipment for a troopy) .
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 13:06

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 13:06
I got a bull bar with lift points in it for that reason. Still wondering where I'm going to put the jack though.
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Follow Up By: TROOPYMAN A.D. 1998 - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 14:30

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 14:30
My hilift is in the shed . Tried liting off these lift points and i found apart from being dangerous , the amount you are trying to lift (engine , winch etc) is too much . Then when you try to put it back down you cannot because if you read the instructions it says that you need a minimum of 150lbs to enable the ratchet system to lower itself down . You can get it most of the way down , then it just stops ratcheting down because there is not enough weight on the hilift . Then you have to try to move the car sideways to get the hilift off . Ratchit .
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Reply By: Stiphodon - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 13:56

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 13:56
My holden rodeo has been used as a good troopie recovery point a couple of times ;)
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Follow Up By: TROOPYMAN A.D. 1998 - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 14:33

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 14:33
HaHahhahahaahh . The car doesnt get itself bogged , the driver does . There are thousand more troopys than rodeos so it figures that there is going to be more bad troopy drivers that get themselves bogged .
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Follow Up By: Stiphodon - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 14:51

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 14:51
I know, I know - I just couldnt resist
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Reply By: Pterosaur - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 15:56

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 15:56
Might not help you much, but where the tie down loops are still in place, use a couple of rated shackles to connect a small bit of rated high tensile chain between the loops and use that as the tow (or recovery) point - spreads the load across the loops.

Shouldn't need recovery with a troopy, though :-D,

regards
Terry
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 16:31

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 16:31
Hi Terry,
Hopefully the car can overcome the shortcomings of the driver! I had thought of putting the shakles through the plate the tiedowns were on and using a bridle strap. The only thing is how small the plates are and how heavy a troopy is.

Steve
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Reply By: TroopyTracker - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 20:16

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 20:16
Steve,
I used to have a hook bolted to each side of the bullbar (got the idea from a bar on display at ARB in Mooorebank.

Got a new bar and didn't do it this way again and now have a "chain A-frame" looped around the chassis rails and held to the bull bar with strap. It's rated chain and wrapped in big clear hose to stopped noise/wear/scratching. Was done while I was in the Landcruiser Club on driver training day.

Cya
Matt
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Tuesday, Jun 20, 2006 at 09:44

Tuesday, Jun 20, 2006 at 09:44
Hi Matt,
I may have to resort to this idea with the chain. Have you got any details you can give me re chain length, where on the chassis you attached the chain etc.

Steve
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Follow Up By: TroopyTracker - Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 at 07:18

Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 at 07:18
Steve,
The chain is looped around the chassis rails on each side behind the bull bar.

If you can give me an email address I'll take a couple of pics.

Cheers
Matt
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 at 10:29

Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 at 10:29
Hi Matt,
email is steve.miller@health.sa.gov.au

Steve
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Reply By: the real chopper - Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 20:34

Monday, Jun 19, 2006 at 20:34
I have an 88 troopy with TJM bar in the driveway with rated recovery points on the front.

Previous employment had my company car 05 TD troopy with TJM bar and two rated recovery hooks.

not being able to fit them must be an ARB thing...
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Tuesday, Jun 20, 2006 at 09:42

Tuesday, Jun 20, 2006 at 09:42
Hi Chopper,
I have a TJM bar. Did the bars come with the points in place or were they added afterwards? May have to go back to TJM to find out if they can be added.

Steve
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Follow Up By: the real chopper - Tuesday, Jun 20, 2006 at 09:50

Tuesday, Jun 20, 2006 at 09:50
No modifications were made. the bar made provision to access suitable locations on the chassis.

Cheers
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Jun 21, 2006 at 23:36

Wednesday, Jun 21, 2006 at 23:36
I'd go back to whoever fitted the bar and ask for the big fat towing loops back. Those loops are as strong as any factory recovery point - and are held on by 3 high-tensile bolts. Mine fit on with the bullbar in place. Best way to recover is then with a bridle (equalisation strap).
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 at 10:38

Thursday, Jun 22, 2006 at 10:38
Hi Phil,
I still have the towing loops. At first look it didn't look like they would fit because of a right angle on the bull bar. Mine is a TJM bar which I picked because the HID driving lights I had ended up with a better mount position without some extra bracket being required. It didn't occur to me you could end up with no recovery points on the front of the truck. So I just traded one problem for another.

Steve
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