V6 Hilux Air Diff Locks - Front or Rear

Submitted: Friday, Jul 07, 2006 at 22:19
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I have a 2004 SR5 V6 Hilux - Auto
60,000 klms on the clock, 2 inch lift with 31 BFG A/T
Contemplating putting in air locker as sick of getting crossed up on terrain.
Factory LSD in rear is tempremental as to if it wishes to work or not.
Haven't had any issues with either diff to date.

Wondering if front or rear air locker (ARB) would be most effective given the current budget will only cover one at this stage.

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Reply By: disco1942 - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 00:37

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 00:37
Never put in a front diff lock without a rear one. You use the rear one first and only use the front one as a last resort - you loose your steering when the front diff is locked.

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Reply By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 01:06

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 01:06
Dan,

Having just been through this exercise with my 80 series, the answer seems to be (from a range of opinions), put it in the rear unless you think that the rear LSD is whizz bang. For an 80 series (and I assume your Lux) the rear LSD is no great shakes, so it is the one to replace. Many Nissan owners will tell you (with some justification) that the LSD in the rear of a Patrol works so well, that the front is the go for a locker if you are only fitting one.

I don't think it is right to say that you lose steering with a front locker engaged. It certainly affects it and you need to be conscious of that when using it, but provided you are aware of the effect, a locker in the front will work well. The key is to use it sparingly regardless of whether it is in the front or the rear. The instructions that ARB provides with them suggest this, and that you minimise cornering with them locked. My workmate has just put one in the front of his GU and left the standard LSD in the rear. He is very happy with the way it works and can certainly still steer.

Anyhow, long story short, my vote is for the rear in your case.

Matt.

P.S. Don't automatically go with ARB to fit it. Shop around at accredited diff repairers and you may get a better price on fitment. Remember also that ARB generally won't do any other jobs (overhaul) that could be done while your diff is apart and it is a good opportunity to have the whole thing checked.
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 07:51

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 07:51
Hi Matt, Which brand did you choose? I have an excellent lsd in my Pajero and am thinking of putting a locker in the front.

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Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 13:41

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 13:41
ARB. As has been stated below, they are probably your only choice for an air locker, unless te TJM ones cover the Paj.
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Reply By: wheeler - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 08:14

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 08:14
Dan
I think you will find that ARB will be the only air operated option available to suit your vehicle, and contary to what has been posted above, when ARB brisbane fitted mine to a nissan I had . they replaced all bearings seals etc at the time. Worked out much cheaper than normal as they only charged me what the bearings etc cost them.
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Reply By: wheeler - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 08:20

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 08:20
And another thing......
I would think that there would be warranty implications at getting an ARB diff fitted at a non ARB store. If something were to go wrong its too easy for the non ARB guy to say its not their fault even if they stuffed up the fitting. And of course if the problem was in the fitting, ARB are going to say sorry, wasnt fitted by us, talk to the fitter. Have seen this sort of thing happen before. (not with diffs though) Even if it costs a bit more, (which I doubt it would) its better to deal with the manufacturer.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 09:52

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 09:52
Totally agree with wheeler on this point, get the whole job done by the supplier it covers your arse as wheeler has just said, if you are unlucky enough to have a problem it will get thrown between the 2 partys as to who is at fault, and in the end you will want to be putting some ones head the diff housing instead of the locker.Good point by you wheeler have had this problem myself and learnt from it Regards Steve M
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Follow Up By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 13:37

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 13:37
The issue of whether ARB will do work outside of fitting their own products probably varies from one store to another. Our local outlet is very reluctant to do so, but some might.

I disagree on the issue of fitting by a non ARB mechanic. Note I said a 'certified' fitter and I talked to ARB about this before it was fitted. They asked who was going to fit it, I told them, and they confirmed that it would still be covered by warranty because the fellow was certified by ARB to fit their products. In fact the warranty that came with the locker specifically mentions coverage if the diff has been fitted by a certified mechanic. Now I appreciate that you 'may' get some hassles if it all goes to custard, however, the fellow who fitted mine has an excellent reputation locally, has done work on my front diff before and is an absolute attention to detail man. Nothing against the local ARB guys, but I am much more comfortable dealing with someone who knows my car, is very easy to talk to, offers sound advice and has a great reputation.

I would rather have the confidence that the warranty will not be needed than worry about some to and fro if it is. Personal choice, I guess.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 18:02

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 18:02
Fair call Matt, if your comfortable with your own mechanic who you have used before then yes I would do the same providing as you said there would be no issues if some thing goes wrong. Regards Steve M
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Reply By: slammin - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 15:10

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 15:10
Hi Dan,

1stly I went an auto locker for a number of different reasons which for this post is prob'ly by the by. Anyway I was always advised by ARB, TJM etc in Cairns that the best option for a diff lock in the Hilux was in the FRONT.

Reason being LSD is very good for On Road performance esp. if you like to let the rear hang out a bit cornering, LOL.

The rear can have a new aftermarket LSD put in when it's completely gone @ 100K thereby retaining it's usefulness in the rain etc.

The best mechanical advantage for a 4wd is to pull itself along and over things and that doesn't happen in the lux I find the rear pushes it in. Porbably because the rear is so light.

Yesterday did a track here that was mainly a river course with lots soft sand and in one particular bit was small boulders loosely arranged as a crossing exit and the lux just crawled over it all no prob's (Ears still ringing from the kids laughter..)

Pre locker I wouldn't have bothered attempting it as it's not worth the effort. The rear would've been digging holes trying to push the nose up the first bit (under a foot high boulders) and the only way then was to get a bit more momentum, Hassle hassle.

I am strongly of the opinion that a locker FRONT or REAR needs to be treated with a soft foot as it would be easy to rip something off. Hence the "Get you further into the bleep e" opinion.

Go slow and tread carefully.

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Follow Up By: danarmstrong - Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 19:11

Saturday, Jul 08, 2006 at 19:11
Thanks for the heads up. I am leaning towards a front locker from now until 100k on the clock at which point I might go rear. After reading the feedback I am thinking it will only come into play in short burst to get past difficult situations.

The travel I have with the rear axle and the 2 inch lift is far better than the front and the LSD does help sometimes.

Front diff lock for rare use sounds like the way forward.

Thanks
Dan
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