Prado 120 Rear Braking Noise??

Submitted: Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 22:04
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Hi all, I was hoping that someone out there is able to spare a newbie a minute on a problem I am having with my 2003 Prado GXL 120 series.

I have only just purchased the car (second-hand of course) and all is going well with it being an excellent machine to drive, except for one small issue.

When I am braking (not hard) on the last bit of deceleration from around 20km/hr to 0km/hr I can hear a strange dull knocking like noise coming from the rear passenger wheel area. The noise is does not sound like metal to metal, but more like a water hammer type of thing, that seems to vary in frequency depending on how hard I push the brake pedal, and varies in intensity depending on what speed I commenced braking. I have noticed it when braking in either the forward or reverse direction. While it is happening all feels normal i.e. no shudder on the steering wheel, body or brake pedal.

I am not really familiar with ABS braking systems, however I would not think that they should make such a noise as it is very irritating.

I called up the Toyota dealer and have scheduled a time next week for it to go in for inspection, however I am wondering if anyone else out there has had a similar problem and their experiences with braking noise so that the dealer doesn't try to con me in any way next week with what is regarded as normal.

Thanks in advance to anyone that can help me on this issue.

PG.
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Reply By: The Explorer - Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 22:19

Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 22:19
Hello - does the vehicle have “Reece” hitch type tow ball - movement of this, while small, creates significant noise (did in my case). Just an idea, may not be your problem.
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Follow Up By: Overtorque - Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 22:28

Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 22:28
I'm not sure what 'reece' is in regards to the tow ball, but yes it does have a tow bar. It is a genuine Toyota set up of the type that the ball can be removed via the removal of a bolt and withdrawing the bar/bar out of a square hollow section of tube.

I actually have the ball/bar out at the moment so I don't think that this would be the source of the noise. However in saying so, I will still check this aspect out further in the morning.

Thanks for the tip.
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Reply By: Member - Garth J (NSW) - Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 22:42

Friday, Jul 28, 2006 at 22:42
Overtorque,

Checkout this site
www.pradopoint.com/
it may give you an insight. Lots of discussion on noises in the rear.

Many people have some strange noises in the rear of their prado 120's as I have with mine.
It is sometimes a light thud when stopping. I think it's some type of windup in the constant all wheel drive transmission.

BTW mine is an 08/03 model.

Cheers
Garth
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Follow Up By: Overtorque - Saturday, Jul 29, 2006 at 20:49

Saturday, Jul 29, 2006 at 20:49
Garth,

Thanks for the link. Pradopoint site was very interesting.

Well just to add a little more on what I have been able to establish about the noise. Today I spent a fair amount of time under and in the back of the Prado looking for anything that appeared out of place, loose etc.

There is nothing that I can see with regards to the towbar mount (ball and neck removed) that could cause the noise. The jack and every thing else inside is well secured and doesn't appear to be able to cause the noise.

While I was down at the local Toyota dealer today picking up some seat covers I asked the guys there about it. I told the bloke that when I originally test drove the vehicle I didn't hear it, and the only thing that I had done since driving the Prado home was fill her to the top with fuel. The guy behind the desk asked the model, etc and then asked if the noise sounded like fluid hammer.

Bingo I thought.

He indicated that a few 2003 (+/-) Prado's had come in over the past with a problem that involves some sort of check valve that exists between the sub and main fuel tanks. Apparently when both tanks are full and you brake the pressure of the fuel in one tank causes this valve to flutter (for want of a better term) with fuel from one tank forcing past the tank into the other causing the noise. He went on to say that people who have heard this often mistakens it for a brake (ABS) issue because it only happens when you are braking. He suggested to see if the noise disappears once the main tank is down a bit (1/2 to 3/4 full). Hmmm.. any excuse to go for a drive is a good one I guess :)
So now I will wait until I burn a bit of fuel before I see the dealer I purchased the vehicle from.

Oh.. and one other think that happened today that makes me think that this is indeed the problem. I unscrewed the fuel cap after driving around town this morning, and their was a large vacuum behind the cap, and as I unscrewed the cap I heard the problem noise for a second.

Without a detailed manual I cant do much in the way of identifying the suspect valve, or better understand how fuel is passed between the two tanks.

If anyone has worked this particular problem out before, or if they could shed some light on how the two tanks transfer fuel between each other, I would love to hear from you.

Thanks all.
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Reply By: pooley - Saturday, Jul 29, 2006 at 15:39

Saturday, Jul 29, 2006 at 15:39
Hi there, i think it's a good idea you are having a dealer look at it. a friend who works in a toyata service department was telling me recently they are having to replace a lot of rear axles lately on prado's. apparently it is some type of recall
hope this helps
jason
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Follow Up By: Member - Garth J (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 29, 2006 at 21:38

Saturday, Jul 29, 2006 at 21:38
Axle problem is on models prior to early 2003. ie older models not the current shape.

Garth
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Reply By: Member - Garth J (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 29, 2006 at 21:44

Saturday, Jul 29, 2006 at 21:44
Overtorque,

As far as i know the fuel siphons between the two tanks.
So the valve you talk about may be some type of non return valve.

Seems to make some sense to me.

Can't say I've noticed a large vacuum in my tank when i've gone to fill up.
Usually i put over 130 litres in to "exercise" the siphoning system and this valve. Plus i only have to visit the servo every couple of weeks.

Garth
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