Hi-Lift Jack banned by Australian Federal Court
Submitted: Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 08:38
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Member - RockyOne
Note on Page 13 Rural Weekly,Queensland (04-08-2006) that the Federal Court has banned the 48" (1220mm) high lift jack fromTWM Imports Pty Ltd after it declared the product to be unsafe. "The court found the jacks failed to comply with both the mandatory performance and labelling requirements..These products were sold throught Australia by auto /hardware retailers 2004-2005..The court order also appears to restrain TWM from supplying hydraulic trolley jack,vehicle support stand or vehicle portable ramp not complying with a prescribed consumer product safety standard..The court order appears to require the company to do a product recall on non-complying items...All employers or providers take note,as we could
well wind up in a libel situation even just allowing someone to use one of these products,when an accident occurs.Ignorance of this ruling may not clear the product owner of lawful responsilibities..I'm no legal beagle so just bringing the sit out into the open..We sell and use Beaver products because,being a primarily rigging company,their qualified testing officers must test and approve a product before it is to become a normal stock line..BTW:There are two levers for moving men - interest and fear. Napoleon Bonaparte
Reply By: robak (QLD) - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:08
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:08
I think it's about time semebody did something about companies that risked other peoples lives so they make a quick buck while putting responsible companies out of bussiness.
R.
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Reply By: crewser - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:27
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:27
TWM I think are the ones that were sold on ebay by tool shops wern`t they.
It would pay to check your jack out if brought on ebay.
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Reply By: cackles - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:28
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:28
Yeah like the a/holes whose jack nearly cost my partner his hand!
On the business side, if it doesn't reach aus. standards the employer, importer, manufacturer can all be held responsible in the event of a failure.
cackles
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Reply By: chump_boy - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:50
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:50
It's about time this happened.
We came close to importing these hi-lift jacks last year, but decided against it in the end.
It was possible to buy jacks stamped and certified to Australian Standards for $2 more than the regular ones - I have no idea why anyone would not go for the slightly more expensive certified unit. Especially with the huge markup they achieve.....;)
Cheers,
Chump
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:59
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 09:59
never had one, never needed one, would never use one.
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Follow Up By: ross - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:19
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:19
There are 4wd schools that will show you how to use one if your scared of them.
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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:13
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:13
Always had one, occasionally needed one, will use them when required...each to their own, safe if used correctly
Cheers Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - RockyOne - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:46
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:46
Many of us who use these pages are adventures types who often venture into the "great un-known" off the blacktop and often or occasionally get into some tricky situations..About now,we could do with the sound of the "cavalary" bugle as they arrive(alias the High Lift Jack) to rescue us from our self imposed prediciment. The jack is not only a puller,but also a pusher (not of that stuff)..The "Farmers Frienf" but the "Chiropractor's Enemy" as why lift heavy items when the Hi-Lift is available? Safety first ! When in use,always keep the handle in the up (vetical) position) when under load..The (now healed) left side of my face knows why I make this statement..But I am not about to post the mulberry colored photo.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 13:31
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 13:31
oh yes, Im terrified of them..
Yup, some of us love getting adventurous...
http://www.gqpatrol.com/pics/woodstrip/hh.jpghttp://www.gqpatrol.com/pics/glenmaggie/stuck2.jpghttp://www.gqpatrol.com/pics/vicrange/2.jpghttp://www.gqpatrol.com/pics/vicrange/17.jpghttp://www.gqpatrol.com/pics/vicrange/24.jpg
Still never used one, or had anyone use one on any of my trips, or any trips I've been on use one..
I think they are more like one of those bolt on wank accessories for the wannabe offroad crowd, the ones you see bolted to the rear door of an old 60 series that has never come off since the car was new.
Sort of like the bolt on Ski's you see on Xtrails, and BMWs and cayennes in winter driving round the city.
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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 13:39
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 13:39
Curious, definately not having a dig, although a fan of thehighlift. Were the logs on the track behind on the last photo placed under the vehicle, and if so what was used to lift the vehicle. I too am very wary of the highlift, but wouldn't go into the scrub without it, its saved the day a few times now.
Cheers Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 13:40
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 13:40
Ps
mine is stored out of site , so not a visual accessory. Nice looking GQ
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 14:02
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 14:02
Few of the bogholes in that area are always filled with logs and crap - why it has me lost.. The only think i can think of is that people can say "We did Vic Range" or other harder tracks.. its all about the image.
We never do the log in bog thing as that takes the challenge of the drive away.
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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 14:07
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 14:07
I only ever do it to get out - pallets work the best.....
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Follow Up By: Spike me - Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 13:24
Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 13:24
Is that your head stickin out of the window of the
grey Potrol???
I think I seen you in th ehigh country.
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Reply By: Member - Geordie C (WA) - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:54
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 11:54
So how do I identify if a jack is one of these from TWM imports.
What brand name will it have, what colour or any specific markings etc. (if you know)
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Follow Up By: Member - RockyOne - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:34
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:34
Can only go on the Beaver I.D. & Data plate..They use a proper brass type plate with even a serial number for ea.unit and the info "Complies To AS/NZS 2693 2003" ..I imagine the compliance code is industry/product specific and would be relevant to your product also..Great rigging/lifting info at www.beaver.com.au as it covers the "Lifting/Rigging" industry,not only their products.Beaver jacks we handle are Black in color
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Follow Up By: Member - Geordie C (WA) - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:52
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 12:52
Thanks Rocky,
I know that most 'good brands' do have proper identification information. I have a Jack-All brand and have seen the Beaver and High Lift brands. However most jacks seem to get referred to as a generic "High Lift" regardless of their brand.
It would be good if the courts could force the import company to print a recall notice with detailed identification information.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 15:43
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 15:43
www.recall.gov.au not listed as a recall "yet"
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 17:19
Monday, Aug 07, 2006 at 17:19
Interesting.......
Does someone have an official link to the Court rulings to confirm the story......nothing worse than spreading information without the facts ;-)
Andrew
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 10:25
Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 10:25
trolley jacks Site Link
and high lift jacks
Site Link
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 10:35
Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 10:35
thanks Robak :-)
Andrew
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 11:12
Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 11:12
and this is a worry
"The ACCC is particularly concerned that TWM, after being previously found by the Federal Court in December 2004 to have breached the mandatory safety standard relating to trolley jacks, shortly thereafter recommenced supplying the unsafe 48"
Farm Jacks",
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Reply By: Turist (The Original One) - Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 16:19
Tuesday, Aug 08, 2006 at 16:19
In a previous life I was a member of the committee that formed the Standard referred to here, AS/NZ 2615:1995.
Would it surprise you to know that this standard is virtually self certifying.
Self certifying to the point where companies affiliated with the manufacturer or even the engineering division of the manufacturer can issue a certificate of compliance.
There is no requirement to use a N.A.S.A. endorsed
test facility or even a facility with Q.A. endorsement.
After being turned over in my attempts to have independent NASA labs do the certification I decided that this bullchit was not for me and resigned from the committee.
This standard was designed to protect life and limb, allowing unchecked certification will not accomplish that end.
Almost the same situation exists with garage hoists, self certification to the Standard AS/NZ 1418.9 is acceptable. (Careful where you stand under some)
The refusal of the committee for the hoist standard to call for mandatory compliance with standards as with vehicle jacks eventually saw me resign from this committee also.
One difference is that the jack standard has been made mandatory by Federal Govt. legislation and the rules and regs are much more enforceable.
A suspicious competitor is usually the reason for separate independent tests being carried out, they dob each other in at a great rate.
The legislation re jacks is so strong that a recall notice can be issues because a phrase on the labeling is incorrect.
You may remember many recalls of Asian produced jacks for just this reason, the mechanics were OK, the labels deficient.
Maybe some of this has changed over the past couple of years, I strongly doubt it.
Bob
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Reply By: Member - RockyOne - Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 07:53
Wednesday, Aug 09, 2006 at 07:53
Thank you Bob..Now that's a
well informed reply if ever I saw one..Leaves me somewhat confused though as to what the average,no doubt,non-researching consumer faces when putting life and limb on the line while making a seemingly insignificant purchase..Should almost be compulsory to include a DVD (VHS-RIP) showing safe operation of such a weapon as the high lift jack..We feel quite comfortable supplying the Beaver jacks,rigging and other lines,as we have inspected their
test facility and seen their "tests to destruction" in action..We had a funny one one day..A grazier (cows not plows,ploughs) brought back a H/Alloy type lifting chain complaining it broke..I asked the usual questions "what tonnage was etc..." He just indicated he wanted the chain sent away (freight both ways his expence) and tested with a certificate (No doubt,my readers have guessed,the chain was used for snigging,not lifting,for which it is designed and rated) Sure enough the chain was back out here in the bush,in around two weeks..We opened up the package,read the enclosed certificate and the
test showed the links broke way above the prescribed rating for that size chain..The chain was no longer " a " chain,but several,as the tests involved "testing to destruction"..Needless to say,we had the satisfaction of knowing we were in the clear annd had a legal certificate to prove it..Of course,the owner of the chain (s) also knows his dollars had got him what he paid for ;-)
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