boost guage for Patrol

Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 15, 2006 at 17:36
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A quick query as to the type of boost guage people are using on their 3L Patrols, mechanical or electronic?
Where do you attach them on the engine?
Does anyone sell a pod that can mount the guage on the A pillaar?
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Reply By: donks1 - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2006 at 20:30

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2006 at 20:30
why do you want one???????
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2006 at 20:33

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2006 at 20:33
pfff.....probably to measure 'boost'!

Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2006 at 22:22

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2006 at 22:22
Good come back there Leroy!!! hahaha
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Follow Up By: donks1 - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 07:38

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 07:38
i still don't get it ..... what do you expect to gain from having one
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 09:49

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 09:49
Donks,

I've got one on my 4.2 Patrol and it is used to monitor how much right foot you're giving the donk. Now, I hear you say, "so what....the motor is built to take whatever amount of right foot you can deliver".......Fair comment; for a stocker. Once you start adding bigger turbo, playing around with the waste-gate etc (to increase power), up goes your boost. This is something that needs to be (or should be) monitored by a thinking-type driver. For example, my 4.2 would have left the factory with a standard boost of around 8psi max. No worries. I've fitted a bigger turbo and it's been tuned to peak at 15psi. No way would I want to be running all day long with that sort of boost......I need to know what level of boost I'm forcing into the inlet manifold. The other reason is fuel economy.

Now, as for these VVT turbos like the 3L Patrol has, they've been reportedly capable of outputting up to 30psi of boost.....supposedly designed to do just that; BUT ONLY FOR SHORT BURSTS at a time.

One of my theories about the issues with the 3L is that one or more of the electronic sensors/valves etc are conspiring to provide that sort of high boost for prolonged periods of time. The result is things like intercooler hoses blowing off, cracks appearing in the intercooler and ultimately, holed pistons.

So, if you own a 3L Patrol, my advice would be to fit a boost gauge and learn to monitor it. If you see high levels of boost showing up under "normal" driving conditions (ie: you're not trying to keep up with the rice-burners at the traffic lights, but just tooling along), then it's time to switch off the ignition before any real damage is done.

I hope this adds some light to the subject for you.

Cheers

Roachie
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2006 at 21:06

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2006 at 21:06
cam,

There is an A pillar pod for the Gu Patrols, I got mine from Northside 4x4 in Learjet dve Caboolture (nth of Brissy) $99 if I remember. Holds 3 gauges (see my rig pics for photo) but I understand there is another one on the market for two gauges if this suits you better. I went VDO mechanical, no reason for it, so I don't know if this is the best way to go or not.
As for position on attaching them, I will leave that to the other 3lt owners as mine is a 4.2 and very different to yours.

Cheers, Trevor.
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Tuesday, Aug 15, 2006 at 22:08

Tuesday, Aug 15, 2006 at 22:08
Cam, I have a VDO in mine, in an individual pod but mine is a 4.2, on the pipe before the intercooler. You could put it after the intercooler but the variables then come into play.
- the level of cooling effect of the intercooler effected by ambient temperature and air speed through it
- the engine revs and the variable vanes of the 3 litre turbo.
- restrictions of the intercooler trying to get air through it

If you have it raw you get a lot of pre-cooling info.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 00:08

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 00:08
is there a place to put it already EG a blanked off hole? I havent looked yet
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Follow Up By: cam_champion - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 08:42

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 08:42
JohnR, I like the idea of a neat looking installation, where did you get your pod from?
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 09:06

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 09:06
Bruce, I had to have a hole drilled and tapped in the charge pipe.

Cam, I got the VDO one but threaded the pipe back through the little cover for the dash place screw, at the base of the windscreen. I used double sided tape to fix the pod there
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 10:21

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 10:21
Thanks JR (and you resemble the man from Dallas :P)



I am going with VDO in the GU, already ordered them from a mate that works for Siemens :D
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Reply By: Member - Brian (Gold Coast) - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 08:05

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 08:05
VDO
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Reply By: Snowy 3.0iTD - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 08:18

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 08:18
Cam

I run a Autometer boost only gauge, after ditching a cheap and nasty Speco because I could not put up with the very wobbly needle and the incessant buzzing. Mine is located next to the driver side windscreen pillar but not in a fancy pod, just a couple of screws in to the dash securing the bracket. The easiest place to put the boost gauge line on the 3L is on the intake of the intercooler. If you remove the platic cover of the intercooler by removing four bolts, you will see a black pipe that runs in to the intercooler at the back of the engine bay. The intercooler will cool the air stream, increasing the density and reducing the pressure, so your engine will see a slightly reduced air-pressure to what is shown on the boost gauge, but it is accurate enough for me. If you want correct results right down to the exact pound of boost then you will need to put it on the intake manifold, but this is more time consuming to do and therefore more expensive.

Kind Regards

Snowy
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Follow Up By: cam_champion - Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 08:40

Wednesday, Aug 16, 2006 at 08:40
Snowy, Thanks for the info, I was about to go and buy a speco unit but will now look elsewhere. Down to the decimal point accuracy is not essential to me it is more of an indication on how loaded the turbo is. Thanks again :)
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