Overly simple dual battery setup
Submitted: Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 08:34
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Arkay - Adelaide
This
forum is for caravanners as
well as 4WD. There has been a lot of talk about dual battery setups, controllers, wiring etc. on the
forum.
My 4WD pulls a caravan and runs the 12v fridge and charges the caravan battery at the same time. There do not appear to be any special battery control boxes or anything. There is a relay to isolate the fridge & van battert when the ignition is not turned on.
So why, when one instals a second battery in the engine compartment, does one need those complicated and seemingly expensice, systems.
And then - you can get a portable Waeco Thumper battery or similar, and with a heavy duty wire run/charge this in the back of the 4WD or even in a passenger car. You are supposed to be able to run a car fridge like an Engel/Waeco off that battery at the same time, or run the fridge directly off a plug in the car (no portable battery). Again no control boxes or anything.
Perhaps one may tow the caravan AND run a portable battery or car fridge together at the same time.
Does all this mean that the alternator and vehicle wiring is about to expire or catch fire? If not, then why does one need a complicated setup for an under the bonnet dual battery system in a 4WD?
I look forward to some informed responses. Thanks.
Reply By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 08:54
Sunday, Sep 03, 2006 at 08:54
Gday Arkay
I think its a matter of different strokes for different folks (and system requirements) I have a simple solenoid for under bonnet. I like it as I have both betteries in parallell while winching etc. Smart solenoids generally don't allow this. A downfall is it may hide a weak starting battery, as they are in paralell when the ignition is turned on, so in the case of a stuffed start battery the aux will 'jump start' the car.
Then you go bush, run the aux down with the fridge, and then in the morning I may not be able to start the car.
Basically, If your wireing is heavy enough to handle the loads you place on it, and you have appropriate fuses etc you won't start a fire, but if you ask too much of a system which is not set up correctly you will have problems.
Best thing to do is research what others have, weigh up the pro's and cons of peoples systems, then pick the one that suits your needs and budget the best.
Good luck
Cheers Andrew
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Reply By: longJohn - Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 13:51
Friday, Sep 08, 2006 at 13:51
I had a old rocky i used to drive to fraser, and with a fridge, second battery system, just had a standard 40A relay connecting the second battery to the alternator. It was wired up so ignition on, relay on. Ignition off, relay off, both batteries seperated. Had another relay with NC contacts wired up to the starter motor start signal (solenoid) , so when it was cranking, the second battery was isolated so cranking current didnt flow from the second battery. Had many critisise my system but it worked flawlessly and I still use that battery in my new 4wd.
Heres a story that happened to a mate, he had all the fancy gear, intellegent battery system (what does it do other than disconnect during initial charging???) and went to
moreton island. As soon as the tyres hit the sand coming off the barge, his radio stopped. Then they lost a bolt out of the brakes, spent hours looking for it, got a new one arranged at the local
shop and went to the
campsite, and then the fridge stopped because the second battery was flat. Found that the alternator had not charged since the barge and had a blown regulator. They pulled it apart and soldered a wire direclty to the armature and connected it to a bulb to earth to give the alt some exitation so it would charge. Found that while driving, with the bulb hooked up, it outputted 16volts. with it disconnected of course it was off. So they spent the next week with it sometimes connected sometimes not to give everything a charge. Switching on all the accessories and spotties to use some of the voltage up helped things a bit, but they were very glad to get a new regulator finally to get back to normal!
Meanwhile they found a bolt had fallen out of the brakes on the other side and they had to go back to the
shop for another bolt :~!!
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