Clutch Shudder...
Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 17:02
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dornbus
Hi, What causes a clutch to shudder when its released? Thanks All...
Reply By: Notso - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 17:04
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 17:04
Oil on the plate, Loose engine mounts, Broken Pressure plate springs probably others too but these would be the most common.
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Follow Up By: dornbus - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 17:18
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 17:18
Thanks, sounds expensive....
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Follow Up By: Notso - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 17:53
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 17:53
Yeah,
well just make sure they investigate the engine mountings first, that's the cheapest of the ones I mentioned.
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Follow Up By: dornbus - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 19:29
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 19:29
Thanks for your replies Notso, will check the engine mounts. The shudder has occured after my weekend on Fraser Is.. The clutch has done 150,000 in a v6 rodeo 2000 model. There is no evedence of clutch slip and it works fine when going through the gears.. Is it possible it needs adjstment?
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Follow Up By: Notso - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 19:59
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 19:59
If it isn't slipping when you put pressure on it, then it's probably not worn to that extent.
Try it in 4th gear on an uphill incline and floor the pedal at about 30KPH, see if the revs hold and steadily increase with speed, if so then it's not slipping.
I'd be looking at engine mounts, then oily clutch. Now years back if we had clutch shudder we'd back the car up to a solid tree and put it in reverse and slowly let out the clutch till you could feel the engine revs drop and hold it like that for a while and it would burn off any oil on the plate. Mind you that was when they built em solid?
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 21:30
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 21:30
ha....I'd put money on you have sand in your clutch! I had a Rodeo and I had the box out a couple of times with clutch issues including the clutch being changed at 50k.
Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 13:32
Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 13:32
I'm with Leroy, if it is since you have been to Fraser, possibly you did a few tries at getting out of sand too and it will display some burning on the face of the clutch. May be end of clutch coming up.
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Reply By: Member - Andrew W (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 18:05
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 18:05
Every 1HZ 100 series I have driven has it as a built-in feature.
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Follow Up By: Member - Hughesy (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 18:18
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 18:18
and every 1HZ 75 series.....
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Follow Up By: Robin - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 18:37
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 18:37
Damm !
Another feature my Nissan missed out on.
Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Notso - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 19:11
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 19:11
Now Now, leave the poor old Yota drivers alone, you know they are sooo sympathetic when Nissan drivers have their problems, NOT
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Follow Up By: dornbus - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 19:25
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 19:25
very nice Simpson photos Hughesy.......if only i had enough $$$$$$ 2 get that Toyota shudder......
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 23:06
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 23:06
80 series 1HZ too. Only when cold though which certainly lends weight to the idea that the inner springs are too stiff.
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Reply By: Member - Boo Boo (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 18:37
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 18:37
Yeah, I've got a troopy 1HZ 1995 and had the clutch replaced at about 115000km when I had the gear box rebuilt. Three months later the shudder was there again, but only when cold.
Regards Bob
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Reply By: Chaz - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 19:44
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 19:44
Hi dornbus,
Clutch shudder is often caused by the lack of give in
the springs located in the centre of the clutch plate itself. It is very common with heavy duty clutches, such as those frequently used in trucks and 4WD's. In this case it usually goes away when the clutch warms up. If you have a hot clutch that shudders, then you have a problem such as Notso suggested.
Sometimes it can be overcome with driving technique, but not always.
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Reply By: bob&loz - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 22:24
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 22:24
dornbus
If it started after a trip to frazer I would say that you have glazed the flywheel & pressure plate from the torque loads driving through the sand. especially if you where using high range and low revs. The clutch would have been slipping but not enough for it to be obvious to you.
Bob
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 22:31
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 22:31
nope there is a hole at the bottom of the bellhousing of the rodeo gearbox. It scoops up sand.
Leroy
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Follow Up By: dornbus - Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 12:17
Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 12:17
Whats the best way 2 get the sand out leroy?
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 13:44
Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 13:44
the box will have to come out. the sand also sticks to the output shaft housing and thrust bearing carrier and will need to be cleaned and regreased. Holden actually changed these parts also under warranty
Leroy
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 22:53
Wednesday, Sep 06, 2006 at 22:53
Clutches started shuddering when they stopped using asbestos.
Mine just shudders when its cold.
cheers
phil
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Reply By: Old4runner - Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 05:22
Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 05:22
many things can cause a clutch to shudder when its released. One of them as mentioned before is
check for broken or worn engine mountings. Also
check your gearbox mountings. I have a V6 4Runner and its had an inherrint clutch shudder alway when cold, but goes away when hot. Sometimes there could be a slight oil leak from the rear main bearing causing engine oil to seep out onto the clutch plate. Also a gear box front oil seal will have the same effect. The modern clutch is a "girlys" clutch in that the day of having a spring loaded pressure plate, they have done way with those in favour of pressure plates that have "fingers" all round the exterior of the plate. When you engage the clutch the thrust bearing spins on these so called fingers. It only takes for a couple of fingers to be worn or bent/buckled from overheating and that results in a permanent clucth shudder. My problem was solved when I bought an aftermarket Heavy Duty clutch plate and pressure plate last year in Februaury, and since then the shudder has gone completely. Whils the box was out I replaced the rear main oil seal ,and the front gearbox seal. No more problems since then. I migt add in conclusion that I aslo replaced the flywheel as a matter of precaution and had the whole assembly balanced. Now she is fine
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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 06:51
Thursday, Sep 07, 2006 at 06:51
A couple more possibilities;
Clutch plate "loose" on splines. It wobbles as it has to much play and not a nice sliding fit.
Clutch plate is thin and not running true. Sometimes when a non standard "el-cheapo" replacement is fitted you find the dimensions are different from the original.
At idle, gently push in clutch pedal. Do you hear/feel any vibration noise as contact is made with flywheel? Or is it only when full contact pressure is applied?
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Reply By: blown4by - Monday, Sep 11, 2006 at 21:45
Monday, Sep 11, 2006 at 21:45
From what the other posts say sounds like sand is your problem but don't forget to
check the spring shackle pins and bushes for wear and gearbox mounts as
well.
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