5th Wheelers

CMCA is who???? (people dont automatically know who you are referring to)

BTW it is "Caravan and Motorhome Club of Australia".

Only accurate information would be standing at the counter getting someone from the RTA to give a signature to their advice. In other words, get in writing from the people that issues the licences and endorsements (enjoy the day at the counter until you are satisfied...), not a self interested website (not knocking them, but you honestly cannot legally rely on the CMCA opinion or advice).

Not trying to be nasty or start a war, but "I saw it on a website" doesn't really cut it in the courts.

Mate, if you haven't got anything sensible to say you should keep your comments to yourself, it only shows the size of your brain.

The CMCA is the peak body for motor homers in Australia so I for one would take their advice.

Notso, I wasn't trying to be a smarta*s, but the CMCA is a CLUB, like all 4WD clubs, sailing clubs, and all other clubs. They do not have any standing to give legal advice. My advice was to only accept legal information from the people that are legally qualified to give it, and in the case of licence/licencing issues that would be the RTA.

This is the safest advice to give, and does not leave any individual or group open for being legaly liable, only the responsible department of Government.

That's fine mate but try to keep your posts away from the personal and do stick to the facts.

It may be true what you say, but that is advice from the CMCA official website and short of dropping in to the local RTA is the best advice you'll get. There is the issue of professional liability that they have to consider.

Pretty much my point. (Don't exactly see where a "personal" attack was made though, or where the lack of "facts" was)

I would assume you have a bit to do with the CMCA, hence the "offence" you have displayed.

It may be worth them putting links to the relevant documents in each of the States Licencing authorities to cover their asses a bit better legally. Having such a big, sweeping statement like that in your original post, and not providing a reference for that statement is a bit on the "iffy" side. All in all a 10 minute rewrite of the code to insert 8 links.

I was going to go down this path a couple of year's ago & what notso has said is spot on.The CMCA would not have this on their website if it were not the fact.Also some of the information you can get from RTA can also be conflicting from one to the other.
Bob.

Conflicting advice or not, THEY (RTA) are the ones that issue the licences, and are responsible for issuuing the correct licence.

All I see is the need to get past the "front counter staff" and talk to someone that actually has a clue. Given the relatively small number of 5th wheelers your size, and the unusual nature of the enquiry, it is not unreasonable to get front counter staff that honestly don't have a clue (45 000 CMCA members with maybe several hundred 5th wheelers on the road Australia wide with an average driving life span of say 3 yrs, attending to/enquiring about their licence endorsements once in a lifetime, at any of 100 or so transport authority offices in Australia). In reality this would come up once or twice a year per office.

The issue is not whether the CMCA is right or wrong, but whether they are legally qualified to give advice. As I stated, links to the appropriate State Govt authorities would at least cover the CMCA's asses.

I would say they would be more Legaly qualified than either you or myself as they have their own legal eagles.Enough said on this one i would say.
Bob.

The only site that has relevant info is the CMCA site.

The Victorian Government site simply states that you can tow a trailer up to 9 tonnes with a "Car" licence.

Anyhow the CMCA has around 20,000 members somewhat larger and better resourced than most "4WD Clubs" I'd say. and contrary to the "Personal" remark made above I ain't a member.

Anyhow we all do our best in our own way to help out when someone asks a question and rather than denigrating other people and organisations give you own "Helpfull advice" and let the enquirer sort out which advice to take.

Come on, give garyinoz a fair go.

CMCA have some good info and advice, but when it comes to the crunch, the final decision is made by the local RTA office.

Yeah, lets move on.

NT Govt site gives similar info:
Site Link

Gday Norm, just for future reference, as far as i am aware at least. There has been for some years now a national classification of licence's. So in every state/territory all should be the same. I am unsure that a 5th wheeler may be pulled on a car licence however and as has allready been said, go to the local licence center and get the info in writing.

meow.

rick.

There lies the crunch, getting the likes of the rta to actually provide written authority is like winning the lottery.
They will keep referring you to the drivers handbook and heavy vehicle drivers handbook.