Alluminium Canoe

Submitted: Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 16:51
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Has anyone got experience with or can tell me where to buy a small light weight alloy canoe suitable for fitting a small electric outboard. Tips, hints and things to watch appreciated.

Thinking of taking it instead of a boat arround oz.
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Reply By: strzelecki - Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 17:00

Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 17:00
Around Oz in a tinnie canoe,that should be a 1st,best take some zinc cream and a paddle,ha ha.
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Reply By: handy - Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 17:53

Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 17:53
a boat will open up a lot more country to you than a canoe.
especially travelling up north. cheers
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 19:10

Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 19:10
Mr Pajeroman ,
Can't use your canoe anywhere in croc country , so that rules out using it for barra fishing . Bit useless really , on a round Oz trip .
Willie .
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 19:12

Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 19:12
Barra fishing on the Qld impoundments would be OK I guess .

I have not seen an alloy Canoe for twenty years , and I really take note of any new canoes I see .

Cheers .
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Reply By: tonysmc - Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 19:10

Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 19:10
I have use a large alloy canoe [20'] and found them about the same weight as a fibreglass one of the same size. They do take a some good knocks, however they can dint and will look a bit rough after some use. I still have a small boat which is rivetted together much like the canoes and some of the rivets did start to leak, a small tap with a hammer fixed that and I replaced some with sealed pop rivets and there isn't a proplem now. IMHO I would suggest a plastic canoe with either a flat back for an outboard or if they are too big for you, you can get backets which will mount the outboard on the side of a smaller one. The plastic canoes are much lighter and easy to handle.

Tony
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 19:16

Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 19:16
Tony ,
A 20 ft canoe . That is neat . You could put an outrigger on it and go in the dragon boat races .
Plastic canoes are usually heavier than a cunningly made lightweight glass canadian .
Canoes with a square back are literally " a pain " because you virtually have to turn around to hold the outboard . A side bracket is the go .
Willie .
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Follow Up By: tonysmc - Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 19:57

Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 19:57
You can buy them with outriggers and sails if you like. We have sometimes put a piece of pvc tube over the handle with extends it to where it is more comfortable, however this does cut down on turning the canoe oneway as you have to get it past yourself. I have found that you can sit comfortably with one hand behind you and being a canoe there is no pressure in steering them.
www.roscocanoes.com.au/canoes.htm
Tony
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Monday, Sep 11, 2006 at 18:53

Monday, Sep 11, 2006 at 18:53
Willie, the problem of:
Canoes with a square back are literally " a pain " because you virtually have to turn around to hold the outboard .

Is pretty minor. It is exactly the same as driving a tinnie with a transome control, which all car topper are. The swivel seat I use overcomes any perceived problem. Sits me up a bit higher and makes it comfortable to sit at a slight angle.

An advantage of the square back is that there is heaps more room. They are typically wider, and stay wide all the way to the back.

I guess you just weigh up the advantages and disadvantages and get the one you prefer (or don't get one at all).
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Monday, Sep 11, 2006 at 22:36

Monday, Sep 11, 2006 at 22:36
Norm ,
I had a Coleman with the square back and I used electric motors with it . It was a pain because I could not get far enough away from the outboard and I was always "turned around " and uncomfortable .
They are not as comfortable to drive as a side mount . And why do you want such a wide canoe anyway - you might as well be in the car topper !
I think they are big overweight slugs - give me a lightweight glass canadian with a sidemount anyday .
Willie .
PS . Sold the Coleman .
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Tuesday, Sep 12, 2006 at 08:40

Tuesday, Sep 12, 2006 at 08:40
I guess we all go with our own experience Willie and that is the way it should be.

'And why do you want such a wide canoe anyway - you might as well be in the car topper !'
Lots of differences between the canoe and car topper. The canoe wieghs 32 KG (not the 35 KG I mentioned before, that was from memory). My tinnie weighs 82 KG.

I can paddle the canoe easily and leave the motor at home if we are not going far on the water (local weir for example). Can't do that with the tinnie.

The width of the canoe (.96 m at the beam and .64 m at the transom) is great for stability and comfort when on the water a long time. We sometimes carry two eskys (one with our lunch, drinks etc and the other with ice for any fish we keep).

'I think they are big overweight slugs - give me a lightweight glass canadian with a sidemount anyday.'
Don't think my Basscatcher is any heavier than a good glass Canadian. In the Rosco range, you have to come down to the 15 ft to be lighter. The 16, 18 and 20 ft are all heavier.

You are probably right to a degree on the side mount for the motor, but the only time the transom mount causes me a problem is when I want to lift the motor when out on the water. But it is much easier to lift the elec than the outboard on the tinnie!!!!

I will say though, now that I have the tinnie as well, I use the tinnie much more than the canoe. Tinnie is much faster (15HP) and therefore also longer practical range. More stable (unless I put outrigger on canoe). Although every time I get a lure stuck in a snag in the shallows, I wish I had the canoe and elec motor. Much easier to manouver onto the spot to retreive the favourite lure.

Like you, I'll probably sell the canoe one day. Not because I don't like it, but because it doesn't get much use these days and it takes up a lot of space in my workshop.

I think we just have different experiences and views, which is not surprising since we have never met and have lived very different lives.
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Reply By: troopyman - Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 20:49

Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 20:49
I dont know about aluminium canoes . I can help you with going up $%!t creek in a barbed wire canoe though . Always doing that .
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Reply By: Wisey (NSW) - Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 21:19

Sunday, Sep 10, 2006 at 21:19
Paj

this may help. Outdoor places.com.

cut/paste.

http://www.outdoorplaces.com/Features/Paddle/pickcanoe/newcanoe1.htm#aluminum

Andy
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Reply By: Charlie - Monday, Sep 11, 2006 at 18:05

Monday, Sep 11, 2006 at 18:05
I like the plastic Pelican Navigator myself, weighs in at a reasonable 27 kg or 25 kg for the older Coleman model and accommodates two people or you can turn it around and go solo.The Quinny or Stacer 340 boats are worth a look too weighing in at a bare bones 50 kg.
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Monday, Sep 11, 2006 at 18:43

Monday, Sep 11, 2006 at 18:43
Can't help with the aluminium canoe, but I have a Fiberglass Rosco Basscatcher.

www.roscocanoes.com.au/canoes.htm

We have an outrigger that I fit when Kathryn (SHMBO) comes with me as she likes the added stability. We run a 40 lb Min Kota motor straight off the transom (canoe has a square back). Also have removable swivel seats with backs and rod holders for it.

Canoe weighs 35 KG. Although it can be lifted by one person, it is MUCH easier with two.

It is a great set up for exploring and fishing. Although I now also have a 3.5m tinnie with 15HP outboard. Canoe doesn't get much use these days, so I'll probably get around to selling it one day.

Canoe is lighter and easier to carry, launch etc than a tinnie. You can also get to a lot of places in the canoe that you can't reach in a tinnie. For serious fishing though, particularly in croc country, a tinnie is the way to go.

Why the preference to aluminium? Far more fiberglass and plastic ones available to choose from and the good ones are very tough. I don't think I've seen an aluminium one for at least 20 years.

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