Fitting turbo to cruiser 100 series 4.2l diesel

Submitted: Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 at 17:13
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I have read and been told that buying a turbo diesel is money well spent but the cost of 100 series turbos are quite high.
What is the cost of fitting a turbo to a cruiser diesel and are non genuine a good idea if so what brands are recommended.
When buying a used cruiser what are high kilometers and how long to these engines last for.
Thanks for the last replies :)
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 at 20:39

Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 at 20:39
Today, there was a post on Lcool from someone with a suspected cracked piston on a turboed 1Hz; and on 70scool from someone who had had two gearbox overhauls in 80,000k on a turboed 1Hz 79series.
I guess that summarises the downside to turboing a 1Hz.

Upside is that you'll enjoy the strong rigid front end on the 105.

To my way of thinking, it will cost you say $4000 to turbo a 1Hz (more if you want an intercooler). Resale value will not be enhanced - may go down, fuel consumption will not be as good, and it may cost you in repairs.

If you want both a rigid front end and a factory 1HD-FT or 1HD-FTE, your only options are to get a factory TD 80series or to buy a current series (post 2001) HDJ78/79series troopie or traytop. Or consider the new TD Prado when its released shortly.
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Reply By: ross - Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 at 20:55

Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 at 20:55
You should get 350-400000 klms out of a 1HZ if its treated right.
The turboing of these is always a subject of debate.
There are plenty of owners around who are happy with their turbo conversion.
Much of the damage can be avoided by fitting a pyrometer which measures exhaust gas temperatures and not having the turbo oost too high.
By keeping the temperatures inside an acceptable range the likelyhood of damge becomes very low.
You cant use the turbo for long periods on steep hills like you could in the factory turbo version landcruiser

AXT ,Safari and Duraglide all sell turbo kits .Probably $4K or more drive in drive out.

Another option that is becoming cheaper and more popular is supercharging.
Similar thing to turboing but it runs off a belt instead of exhaust gas and has a high reliablity.
New types of blowers are low maintenance unlike the older versions
Sprintex has done about 900 Landcruiser,Patrol and RR conversions in WA
About $6k drive drive out
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Reply By: nowimnumberone - Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 at 21:00

Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 at 21:00
in our workshop at the moment are 2 landcrusers with turboed 1hz engines blown up.1 a 100 series and the other is an 80 series
cheers
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Follow Up By: udm - Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 at 21:10

Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 at 21:10
Just curious, do any of these 2 cars have a pyrometer?

Ulises
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Follow Up By: ross - Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 at 21:32

Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 at 21:32
Its difficult to tell why they blew up. Was it the turbo or a couple of knuckle heads who ran them flat out and melted the pistons or rattled the precups off.
I still believe that if the turbo is used sparingly ,long engne life can be assured.
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 at 23:45

Tuesday, Sep 19, 2006 at 23:45
"blown up" is a very unspecific description that can refer to (depending on describers mechanical level) cooked piston etc down to a cooked glowplug or flat tyre. What happened to these two?

I understand that the indirect injection Toyotas, 1HZ, 3L etc are at high risk from cracking between valve seats and precombustion chamber when boosted too high. Having said that I have a 3L lux with a turbo fitted at 225000k's@6psi boost. Done 40000ks, runs great, uses around 10% less juice and no black smoke.
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Follow Up By: Member - Karl - Wednesday, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:57

Wednesday, Sep 20, 2006 at 10:57
So what!!! - it doesn't mean that the turbos caused the problems does it. Anything could have caused the problems from misuse to lack of care etc.

Karl
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Wednesday, Sep 20, 2006 at 17:54

Wednesday, Sep 20, 2006 at 17:54
"So what!!! - it doesn't mean that the turbos caused the problems does it."
Of course anything can cause problems, but cracking between the precombustion chambers and valve seats is really only from to much heat in the combustion chamber ie overboosting or fueling. Even overheating engine is more likely to cause probs in other areas of the head.
Having said that the point is they are great if you dont go silly and try and do 16psi boost.
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Follow Up By: nowimnumberone - Wednesday, Sep 20, 2006 at 19:42

Wednesday, Sep 20, 2006 at 19:42
neither had pyrometers fitted.
one has a 3inch exhaust and number3-4piston grabbed and ruined bores.(80series)
head cracked in about 10-15 spots
other one standard exhaust number 2 piston bleep ered in about 10 pieces 1 crack in head between valves on number 2.(100 series)
no idea of boost ect
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Reply By: Big Woody - Wednesday, Sep 20, 2006 at 05:24

Wednesday, Sep 20, 2006 at 05:24
Hi Stephen,

I have an 80 Series Landcruiser with 1HZ that has had a Mike Vine aftermarket turbo fitted since the day it rolled out of the showroom.
It now has 300,000km on the clock, does not use a drop of oil between changes, never gets hot and I tow a 2500kg yacht regularly in Qld summer temperatures.

In my opinion if you follow certain rules when fitting turbo's to the 1HZ motor you can expect the same reliability and engine life as you can without a turbo.
The key issues are:

1. Do not go for maximum boost pressures - limit the boost to 8 psi and no more

2. Use good quality synthetic oil changed every 5000km - I use "Synforce Cruiser Oil"

3. Ensure that your cooling system is 100% and also for a little extra protection I would recommend increasing the capacity of coolant. (larger radiator etc.)

I have also had GQ 4.2 naturally aspirated diesel and many times have had overheating issues when towing. I have not had this problem with the Landcruiser.

If I were you I would go for it as not everybody can afford a factory turbo Landcruiser and once you have driven a 1HZ with a turbo, you will never go back to a naturally aspirated version again.

Good luck with your decision,
Brett
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Reply By: Member - Karl - Wednesday, Sep 20, 2006 at 16:40

Wednesday, Sep 20, 2006 at 16:40
Stephen,

I would go a head and get the turbo - it's the best thing you can do, other than supercharging it. As long as it's done by proffessional fitters and you look after it there should be no problems.

I turbo'd my 80 Series when it had 180 000 km on it and it has done approx 100 000 kms with it fitted and it's great. I keep it serviced and drive senisbly and there is no problems.

A good desiel will last 500 000+ km if it is looked after - there is a saying that most desiels aren't run in until 200 000+ km.

In the above posts that mention so called problems with the turbo motors there is no proof/evidence that the damage was caused by the turbos and the damage could be put down to other mechanical problems due to poor up keep etc, hard driving by the owners because they beleive you can thrash a desiel etc. Speak to a qualified fitter such as Denco and you will be given the right advice.

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