No go snow Prado
Submitted: Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 11:18
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Arkay - Adelaide
Normally we are desert dwellers. Cobbler, Gibson, Great Sandy, Great Victoria, Painted, Sturts Stony, Tanami, Tiriri, done em all. But occasionally we like to go to the Victoria High Country in the warmer months. Say round
Mitta Mitta and do Disappointment Track (that's not Mt. Disappointment), listen to the cicadas in the Walnut trees.
Recently I said to the XYL, "After the next school holidays (in October), when the tin lids have all gone home, why don't we go and have a look at a bit of the white stuff?". "Brrr" she says "Brrr, anyway we can't with that Prado, you'd need snow chains, bit like those mud chains we used to use in 'Frica". In a way she's right, never heard of mud chains here in Aus. "Not a problem" says I, "We can just pick some hire ones up in
Khancoban and mosey up through
Tom Groggin and Thredbo and drop them off in
Jindabyne. Nothing serious, we will give the Davies High Plains or Mt. Pinnebar a miss". "Can't" she says, "You have to fit them not just carry them, and you can't fit them to the front steering wheels of the Prado". Now about this time I realise she had been spending too much time snooping on this 'Splore Oz website. "Not a problem" says I, "There must be Prados tripping about in the snow. They'd be like those Nasi Goreng rabbits, millions of them. I'll just go up on the website and ask"".
So the question is : How do you cope with a 120 series Prado with 17" wheels in snow conditions? Do you just fit chains to the rears? Is it legal, or what?
Reply By: Penguin (NSW) - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 12:43
Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 12:43
Hi Arkay
From my experience in the NSW snow country, 4wd's are not REQUIRED to even carry chains. I've never used them but from what I've read in the past, if fitting chains you should at least fit them to the front for steering capability.
Mike
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Reply By: AJs Prado - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 14:49
Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 14:49
Arkay,
There's not a lot of snow left now, been a very ordinary season and it's getting warm quickly down there so after Oct you'd probably only need fly repellent, a hat and a few beers in the fridge. Most NSW resorts are already closed for skiiing and what little is left looks like a brown slushie. If you find any snow after Oct it won't be on the road. I haven't had to use them on my 120 (265/70/17 BFGs) but the recommend is on the front as said above.
NSW for this year did not require 4wd to carry chains, I thinks Vic NPWS and Roads people do. Unfortunately this includes things like Subarus, Territory and AWD, they do get stuck contrary to popular belief. You can usually pick up chains pretty
well everywhere on the roads leading into the parks and ski fields. Wouldn't hurt to call ahead to check for 17s.
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Reply By: phillip owen - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 14:58
Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 14:58
Hi all,
During the snow season (June long weekend to October long weekend) vehicles entering the
Kosciuszko National Park in NSW must carry chains. However, 4WD's are exempt from carrying chains.
It is a different story for the Victorian ski fields, where every vehicle entering the national
park (or ski fields) must carry chains (at least this was the case 2 years age when I was there).
If you want to fit chains to ANY vehicle, read the owners manual as to which wheels to fit them to. It is usually the driving wheels. That is, rear wheel drive vehicles have chains fitted to the rear wheels and in front wheel dive vehicles, fit the chains to the front wheels.
If the road conditions deteriorate, then use the 4WD as it was intended, in 4WD mode.
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Follow Up By: Tim@Stratford - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 15:12
Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 15:12
As above - In the Victorian Ski fields you MUST carry snow chains - although 4WDs often aren't required to fit them - they still must be carried. I assume this is only for their ski season - I haven't spend much time up there during summer to check.
My 100s manual states that snow chains are to be only fitted to the rear wheels. I have reduced the width of my tyres from factory by 10mm and have fitted chains to the front (on the lawn) - there doesn't seem to be any fouling of the guards, brakes etc.
Tim - Stratford.
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Reply By: Muddy doe (SA) - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 18:27
Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 18:27
I think the main point of this post was the question of fitting chains to the front wheels of the 120 series Prado in particular as a cpmponent of the
suspension sits VERY close to the tyre at the top. It is close enough that I can only just pass my hand thru
the gap.
I too would like to know if other 120 owners have done chains on the fronts and whether they had enough clearance.
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mine it is complicated by the fact I am running 70 profile tryres instead of the usual 265/65R17's so there is even less of a gap.
Arkay, you may find more answers on the 120 Yahoo user group that is an offshoot of Land Cruiser Owners Online (LCOOL).
Cheers
Muddy
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Reply By: Member - Stan (VIC) - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 19:38
Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 19:38
Been to snow twice, never needed chains.... For Prado you can fit the chains
to the rear wheels if the authorities require you to fit chains....
And NO you don't need chains, just put on the mud tyres and drop tyre pressure (could be as low as 10psi) and off ya go ;)
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Follow Up By: RichieK - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 11:58
Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 11:58
not trying to be a smarta#@e and no offence intended but...
"just put on the mud tyres ..." that would be no problem if the owner in question had a spare set of rims and a spare $1200 lying around, then they have to deal with driving the blacktop on muddies....most people I know own one set of rims and use tyres from the factory or perhaps have upgraded to A/Ts...I wouldn't put M/T's on just in case we hit a bit of snow. Chains are cheap to hire, even buy, compared to a whole new set of rims and tyres, then when you hit the blacktop you have a much better grip.
Having said all that I have two sets of rims, both with A/T's, though 1 set slightly better for the road and i'm saving the others for the outback..
Cheers and beers
Rich
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 23:01
Saturday, Sep 23, 2006 at 23:01
snow? there is none.
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Reply By: Member - Vincent A M (NSW) - Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 20:02
Sunday, Sep 24, 2006 at 20:02
been to snow every 2nd weekend this season (nsw thredbo) 4wd DO NOT have to carry chains by law (this is the last year) BUT if instructed must fit chains by LAW to leave a resort (this is the ??? problem if you hire in thredbo they do not have a drop off any where else) there has been very little snow this year & would not think it is going to cause you a problem this year, but next year will
Good luck
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