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Submitted: Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 01:11
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Correct me if I'm wrong. I over heard someone today say that tralers over 750kgs since the beginning of this month, must have electric brakes, normal over-ride are no longer exceptable... Be interesting if its true.
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Reply By: Barnesy - Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 02:55

Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 02:55
Override are still acceptable. The cops are cracking down on trailers over 750kg without brakes. They are now required by law. The local boat shop here has an 8 week waiting period for trailer brakes as the Melbourne supplier can't keep up with demand.

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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 07:39

Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 07:39
I thought brakes on trailers over 750kg GTM had been the rule for a while?
I also thought override brakes were OK for trailers up to 2000kg GTM?

Just been through the exercise in setting up a trailer.
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Reply By: Dion - Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 08:30

Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 08:30
I'm not sure wether this was an Australian wide issue or just a SA issue.
In SA although the requirements for brakes are quite specific,
0-749kg, no brakes are required.
750-1999kg, brakes are required on at least one axle, brakes may be of any acceptable form.
>2000kg, driver controlled brakes on all wheels, and auto apply in event of break away.
For boat trailers that fell into the 750-1999kg category built before a certain date (which would have been prior to the introduction of the current legislation) there was a sunset period where those trailers were not required to be retrofitted with compliant brakes.
That sunset period has now expired and all boat trailers within that 750-1999kg category are no longer exempt for not having brakes, and must have compliant brakes fitted.

Cheers,

Dion.
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 09:08

Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 09:08
Well I have to say I am p i s s e d and amazed that it is a Sth Australia issue.

It would have to be the ONLY thing SA has an 'ithue' with re vehicle and/or vehicle attachment accessory.

Its the only 1st world governed state that has no idea what the term 'roadworthy' means and has no idea about vehicle roadworthy safety checks for registration purposes.

The towing vehicle could use 'flintstone' brakes assisted by a boat anchor and all would be okay.

They even let those 'things' Nissan produce and sell at 4WD's tow vehicls.

YES! Dion, 750kg is the limit and I know this for a FACT as I just upgraded the axle on my CT from a 1450kg one to a 2000kg parallel bearing one.
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Follow Up By: Des Lexic - Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 10:00

Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 10:00
Lucy, your Visa has just been revoked.
At least here we don't subsidise the Govt. with having annual inspections and all that crapola. We have proper coppers here that do their job well assisting the members of the community(even the bikies LOL) and not pouncing on travellers who do just 1 k/hr over the speed limit to raise additional revenue.
I have to agree with you about those nissan things but it is an Australian wide problem not just here in Sunny SA
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 13:33

Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 13:33
Now Now Des,

You are showing a SLIGHT bit of discrimination towards our friends south of the border (Mexicans LOL) You know in some of the eastern states they don't need the revenue to keep the police force active, I've heard they are the best police MONEY CAN BUY.. Then again I did just pay a speeding fine in Vic for doing 120 in a 100 zone, 2 GPS units in my vehicle said 110 and I excepted that, (even told the GENTLEMEN is was doing 110, but they said their super laser gun was right and read 120, what can you do. (maybe it was because they had no teams in the AFL finals ) (-:
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Follow Up By: snailbait (Blue mntns) - Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 17:28

Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 17:28
hi Dion
All the states and Teratories have got to gether and sigined a agrement that they will have a standard reg for towing, there is one word you missed out on and that is
(GVM) Gross Vehicle Mass in other words total weight of the trailer and load the trailer is carring
if your trailer weighs 750 kg empty ie tare weight there is a new word in the regs to describe that. if it did not have brakes you could not carry a load
so you got to think gvm not tare
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Follow Up By: Dion - Friday, Oct 06, 2006 at 08:15

Friday, Oct 06, 2006 at 08:15
I didn't specify anything about tare weight. Any trailer purchased shall have on it's compliance plate the tare weight, (270kg in the case of my 7'x4' tandem box trailer) and the GVM (749kg). This means I can only have a payload of 479kg.
If a transport or police authority wish to weigh your trailer, tare or GVM doesn't come into the equation, what the trailer weighs at the time is what counts, and if it exceeds 750kg and has no brakes, simple - you are fined.
In the case of my trailer above, I know I can't load any more than 479kg or I'm illegal.
Anybody that is caught with a trailer exceeding 750kg with no brakes cannot claim that 'the trailer only weighs 250kg on it's own, it doesn't need brakes'.
It's relatively simple, over 750kg with no brakes, regardless of wether the trailer is MT, half full or full, you'll have the book thrown at you.

Cheers,

Dion.
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Follow Up By: Dion - Friday, Oct 06, 2006 at 08:19

Friday, Oct 06, 2006 at 08:19
I don't believe there is commonality across the states with trailer/towing rules and legislation. Even towing a light garden sized trailer into WA and you have to reduce your speed to 100km/h, despite the road speed being 110km/h.
SO I think we are still a long way off yet having an agreement between the states.

Cheers,

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Reply By: Dion - Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 10:07

Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 10:07
I thought it was a common sense approach to the problem, although the sunset period was a little longer than it should have been.
It's no different to any other vehicle issue. If I have a product that was compliant when built, but does not comply with todays standard doesn't nescessarily mean I should now discontinue to use it.
When the new legislation came into being, it was announced that it was impracticle to make existing rigs comply over night, and thus the sunset period was introduced in order to allow people to wisely assess all the options and comply accordingly.
The sunset period was sufficiently long enough that no-one should have been caught out, there was enough warning about last weekend's date.
I know when we purchased our first boat, a 16' Nereus it was well over 750kg but didn't have trailer brakes fitted. I was actually oblivious to the legislation and sunset period, however took it upon myself to fit trailer brakes after assessing all the available options.
Boat trailer and boat renewal notices from TSA have sufficiently forwarned people of the requirements.
I am unaware of other states requirements, so this may be mirrored elsewhere, I just haven't looked, which is what the opening line of my first post said. I hadn't bothered to research further than SA as there is no intention for my boat to leave SA.

Cheers,

Dion.
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Follow Up By: snailbait (Blue mntns) - Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 17:37

Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 17:37
hi Dion
The state that was behind with there reg were SA and WA all other states had these higher level of regs for years and when SA trailers went into say NSW they did not comply with the NSW REGS thats why you did have to up date
NSW have had A simaler reg for 20 years
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Reply By: disco driver - Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 20:14

Thursday, Oct 05, 2006 at 20:14
Hi All
So if I tow my 900kg nett, 1290 gross 1978 Viscount Poptop (WA Licenced) fitted with effective over ride brakes from WA through SA, NSW and Vic and back home to WA am I legal in SA & Vic but not in NSW, or Legal in WA and NSW but illegal in VIc and SA or just legal in WA????
Not going to make much difference to me as I'm going to do the trip anyway and stuff the regs..

Tow vehicle is a 1999 TD5 Disco auto with a braked towing capacity of 3500kg according to both the handbook and the compliance plate on the tow bar.

As you all have suggested;- It's about time these messes were sorted.

As another example my No1 son was a long haul bitumen Semi tanker driver based in WA but working in Melbourne with his WA licenced truck.
His Tanker was legal here in WA with a total of 55000ltrs on both trailers but in Vic only 42500ltrs Can any one explain why such stupid rule changes apply???

Perhaps it has something to do with State Rights or should it Rites coz unless it's sorted the Feds will takeover, no doubt for their benefit and not the states.

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Reply By: Dunedigger - Friday, Oct 06, 2006 at 06:56

Friday, Oct 06, 2006 at 06:56
The problem with override brakes is that on a long down hill run, the override brakes are always applied, overheat and FAIL, even if you are in a low gear. At least with electrics you use a low gear and apply the brakes sparingly.

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Reply By: Member - 'Lucy' - Friday, Oct 06, 2006 at 08:49

Friday, Oct 06, 2006 at 08:49
Dion.

Mate, you are on the money.

750kg GVM is now THE legal limit in VIC before electric brakes have to be applied/added/installed, regardless of how you get there - load plus unloaded weight etc.

Its the same as my troopy, once that sucker passes/exceeds 3495kg's its illegal - unroadworthy - insurance voided.

I just had a guy install a new axle in my CT to boost the load limit pass 1600kgs and he was telling me that 750kg's was the new limit for electric brakes.

Maybe they are trying to get a standard minimum Australia wide o.

Also something about when it exceeds 3.5t or 4.5t it has to have air assisted or a 'breakaway safety' plus electrics on dual axles. Can't remember the exact requirements, but I know they do change.

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Follow Up By: Dion - Friday, Oct 06, 2006 at 11:17

Friday, Oct 06, 2006 at 11:17
Lucy,
sounds like a wholesale change of events here. Which is where I were getting at with all states not pulling together and going off in different tangents.
Override brakes should still suffice in the 750-1999kg category. Over 2000kg, brakes fitted to all wheels, driver controlled and with breakaway safety.

Cheers,

Dion.
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Reply By: Member - Charlie M (SA) - Friday, Oct 06, 2006 at 21:29

Friday, Oct 06, 2006 at 21:29
The 750 kg rule does not even come into efect if your tow vehicle has a lower unbraked tow limit EG(500kg) that is the limit that brakes must be on at. Check owners manuals?? ( I think a Susuki sierra? is about 350kg unbraked)
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