Patrol chassis cracks
Submitted: Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 15:22
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Austravel
Hi,
I've cracked the chassis above the rear axle on a GU leaf sprung cab chassis. Belief is that it's been because of the air bags/bellows that were fitted before my
Kimberley trip.
I was also told they crack the chassis somewhere between the cab and tray. Does anyone know any further info on this?? Is it only the coil sprung version??
If you want further info on what happened to
mine let me know.
Reply By: Member - Niss42 - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 15:48
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 15:48
Hi Aus,
I have been told that if they are inflated too much, they make the
suspension too ridged, and that this can crack chassis and or diff banjo.
niss42.
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 18:56
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 18:56
Yep true.
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Reply By: Member - Craig D (SA) - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 15:51
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 15:51
Hi Austravel, from what I have gathered researching the same subject the problem exists with both leaf and coil models that are loaded
well up, with some saying that the bags increase the occurence of the cracking.
Before I had my new
suspension fitted I was flatly told by my prospective installer that he wouldn't fit the new
suspension UNTIL I had first reinforced the spring towers and the chassis ESPECIALLY as Poly Airs were also to be fitted.
Now, the said installer has a fair bit of credence in the industry (Brad Newham - ARB
Gawler) and said the majority of the cracks were only around the spring towers/towers to chassis - he never mentioned any other chassis cracking points.
The chassis specialists who ended up doing my reinforcement also do GU's that end up in the mines - they do not reinforce the chassis behind the cab, only around the towers to chassis area. The only other cracking they mentioned was the tray to chassis mounts may crack due to the inflexibility of steel trays.
Hope this helps, but would also like to know exactly what happened to your rig during your
Kimberley trip.
Best regards,
Craig.
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:01
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:01
Your talking about coil rears and your right there is a history of it happening even in the GQ. It happened to me, but that's the tower not usually the chassis.
Turns out Telstra and Ergon regularly crack the vehicles between the cab and tray, some in half but I'm told so far only coil versions. Hence my question have others heard it happening to both coil and leaf versions.
Mine split the underneath edge of the chassis from the shockie tower forward along the bottom inside seam. Split was both sides and about 8-10 inches long. Have photos but not sure how to post them.
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 16:11
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 16:11
Search back on a post i made mth or so ago about dude in our club whose LWB chassis cracked clean in 1/2 on both sides. (both rails)...
He has had it reenforced for the second time, and has sold his dual rear wheel carrier..
His car is 3200kg before packing for a trip..
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Follow Up By: donks1 - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 16:54
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 16:54
tell him to buy a truck
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:04
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:04
Truckster,
Can't find it can you help.
Most would be very surprised at the weight of their vehicle even the dry weight.
Mine is 3000kg with nothing in the tray, two adults and full of fuel, leave only 400kg for everthing else. And it doesn't take long to use this up. If you look at a wagon it's much worse.
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:13
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:13
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23 Sep 2006 at 22:38 ___________________________________________________________________
Bloke in our club who is in the Willem guize of going where no man has been in 40 yrs, snapped both his chassis rails clean in 1/2, (think awill has seen this car too) right over the rear diff..
His car weighs the same as roachies, (3300 before packing anything, weighed after having chassis repairs, and laminated chassis),
Trev puts it down to is 2x315's on his Kaymar bar. Hes gettin rid of it ASAP, and doing something else.
All that weight bouncing like a hinge off the back, something had to give, and it did! ___________________________________________________________________
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:54
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:54
Thanks Truckster.
You might be able to help with my other question on an I.T. issue. If you can please let me know.
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Reply By: cokeaddict - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 17:52
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 17:52
The thing is this, some of us seem to think we can just keep loading stuff on. The fact is you cant. They design these things to do a certain job, OVERLOADING is a recipe for disaster. The
suspension is designed to take up the load as travelling equally between all the pivot points. When you add things like air bags and the like, you are stopping the load being distributed equally over all the pivot points thus causing overloads to accure as is the case here.
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:08
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:08
True.
However most if not all vehicles on a decent trip will be overloaded, even if your not towing. Though I wasn't overloaded not sure why you thought so. Sure road conditions, load and speed could be part of it. However if you saw the pics you'd see that primarially it was how the air bellows are fitted to the leaf rear ends that caused it.
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Reply By: Steve63 - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 18:31
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 18:31
Hi,
I have a Landcruiser leaf sping with bellows so do not know if this applies to a Patrol. I was given a pretty clear message on two points. Inflate the bellows to an appropriate pressure for the load. If the load changes, change the pressure in the bellows. Secondly not to try and carry more than the rated max capacity. Bellows do not change the maximum load capacity, they just allow you to carry a variable load in comfort. I think some of this comes from the fact the bellows are rated to 4T and obviously this is somewhat over the rated max load of the vehicle.
Steve
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:11
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:11
All true.
Was told that you won't see cruisers with this sort of drama and it's basicly a patrol problem. Seems like the patrol's chassis is a tad underrated.
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Follow Up By: Michael ( Moss Vale NSW) - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 20:21
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 20:21
Patrol chassis under rated!!! The Patrol doesn't have an IFS that collapses and renders the vehicle not drivable..
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Reply By: JR - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:53
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 19:53
Somewhere I recall there being a Nissan reinforcement part for this issue but only for the leaf versions
I think it is welded on and goes just behind the cab
Maybe try a dealer who handles lots of Telstra/country energy utes
Dubbo for example - Western Plains Automotive
Some leaf versions are uprated capacity 3400kg from new and would be prone to this problem
JR
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:57
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:57
Thanks will ring around. My GU is a standard issue and is rated to 3400kg being the leaf version.
From what I heard and saw on my trip and on returning home checking with a spring manufacturer it's common place. Common place that is if you use the vehicle as intended or beyond. So high (not over) loads, rough roads and long k's etc. Dobinson's springs said he saw 6 patrols some with head board touching the cab when over in
Perth last. All were coil versions.
I'm just trying to find out if it has happened to the leaf version as
well.
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Reply By: Member - Errol (York WA) - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 20:27
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 20:27
Go to my Pic's and you'll see a piture of my fix at the bottem.
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Follow Up By: Austravel - Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:50
Monday, Oct 23, 2006 at 21:50
Thanks but that's for the coil version.
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