100 series suspension
Submitted: Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 06:31
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Glenn WA
I've got a 06 td cruiser, need advise on the best set-up for something a bit harder in the
suspension side of things.
I've already done a post previously, but trying to narrow it down before I do the job. I carry a trail bike on the back of my tow hitch (350 exc KTM, 115kg). Do a bit of fast ,dirt track stuff on corrigations, some slower 2nd stick mud, pot hole stuff, and on
the beach (not yet, but will soon) .
Any one got some good ideas on shocks and springs, are those poly airs any good ?
Cheers
Glenn
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Reply By: Topend - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 07:26
Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 07:26
I am on my second IFS LC100 now and this time I have just fitted rear OME springs (carried over from the previous vehicle) only. I then wound up the torsion bars 25mm (you can get up to 35-40mm). After looking at adjustable shocks I decided to leave the standard ones on. The standard shockies are better than they get credit for and I could could not pick a differnce to the OME shocks on my previous LC100.
I had polys on the previous LC100 and they are great for very heavy loads. If your loads are only moderate the OME coils will do the job.
If you want to lift it more than an inch you may need to upgrade to shocks with more travel.
I tow a 3000kg boat so have more weight on my towbar than you will with the KTM. The lighter OME coils handle this
well. OME do a heavier (rated 200kg more?) coil too.
Save yourselve some money and start with the coils only. Wind up the torsion bars yourself and get a wheel alignment straight after that. Just make sure your front wheels will still droop 60-70mm when the weight is off the wheels. Measure this from the rim to the guard on each side with the weight on wheels, then weight off wheels.
If you are still not happy then look at new torsion bars and shocks.
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Follow Up By: Glenn WA - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 07:48
Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 07:48
hey topend
not sure what you mean by the droop.? Is that when you've got the wheels off the ground ? I've heard you can only get an extra 35mm lift on the 100 series from the original torsion bars, is that correct ?
Glenn
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Follow Up By: Glenn WA - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 07:58
Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 07:58
just another one topend,
Did you put the strenghting bracket on the IFS A frame.? The guy down at tjm said they have upgraded the 06 model, not sure if he right or not. Any advise?
Glenn
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Follow Up By: Topend - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 12:19
Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 12:19
Glenn,
35-40mm I believe is all you can raise the front. I only went to 25mm this time, 35mm on my old TD100. The droop I mention is the measured difference between when the vehicle is on a flat surface with full weight on the wheels and when the vehicle is jacked so the weight is off the front wheel. The more you raise the front
suspension by adjusting the torsion bars, the less this will be.
To prevent the Shocks topping out you need at least 60-70mm droop. The most accurate way to measure is run the tape measure from the bottom (or top) of the rim to the guard. Don't measure from the ground.
Toyota has upgrade the bottom wishbone. There was a recall for older models to inspect the front IFS.
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Reply By: cowpat - Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 20:54
Saturday, Nov 18, 2006 at 20:54
Glenn, Polyairs are good. They're remarkably robust for a plastic bag. I've got a set in the back of my 105 series LC (live axle front). They would allow you to compensate for the added load by pumping up the pressure when you're carrying your bike, if you want to go that way.
I've gone for King springs, standard rate 200 lb/in but two inch lift - no complaints, and Koni Heavy-Track shocks. As you also have a dirt bike you'll appreciate the adjustability of the Koni shocks, and you will have to adjust them - way too soft straight out of the box, trying to level the front with the accelerator over deep sand whoops *almost* works but I've only the N/A diesel. Note though they only adjust rebound, not compression, but for my setup compression damping is fine (maybe high-speed compression damping could be revalved a bit softer - as they are also rebuildable - but hey they work pretty
well for the money compared to dirt bike shocks). The Polyairs seem to have a rising rate effect as you would expect, and with an extra two inches of travel the rear really does feel bottomless. Casper
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