OT Moral Quandary

Thanks Ian, your input helps believe it or not.

I do not want to be seen as a mercenary bleep. So the small cash payment will more than likely be gratefully accepted and just get on with life.

Regards, Trevor.

Nope as it was not at my place. The PDA/Phone was barely taken out of the box so insurance outside the home had not been organised.

Thanks for the thoughts.

Good on you for your quick action in saving the child.

Most household insurance policies have a percentage of the amount of contents cover on things away from home, such as this, without having to take out the expensive "all risks anywhere" cover, however they will probably argue that you jumped into the pool so it is your fault - still worth a try and try again though.

Back to the moral dilemma - i feel i would accept what you have been offered without pushing for more. Perhaps a 'friend' could pass around the hat to other families at the pool asking for a small donation towards your loss.

Well put Phil, having lost two of mine and one very close to me am in tears mate, you said a heap.

What can one say to that, you are so right and I would like to thank you for putting it into perspective.

Advice will be heeded. Best regards,
Trevor.

Sadly no insurance for the PDA/Phone on my behalf. That was looked into early on in the piece.

Think I would sleep better if I just take what has been offered and move on, or try to get the PDA down to Eric in Melbourne to take up his kind gesture to fix it for me.
See you in Port one day. I have outlaws down there and will try to bump you when down there one day.

Regards, Trevor.

Being forceful is not one of my strong points so I will probably just take the honour of being in the right place at the right time and go back to getting info out of my diary as opposed to moving into the 20th century with the PDA.

Thanks for your input.
Regards, Trevor.

one mrs is expensive enough so I would pass on doubling my debts hehehe.

Cheers Trevor.

Your input is valuable and I thank you for taking the time to repsond. As always it is good advice.

Regards, Trevor.

Thanks Footy, I too would not change what I did and whatever outcome I will sleep well tonight and tomorrow night ect ect. The technology will be replaced in time anyway.

Cheers, Trevor.

That's been my thoughts all along as well (Re the swim school) but after reading a few of the responses here it really does feel like it was almost an honour on my behalf to be put in that position and the PDA/Phone will be replaced without having to go without food or shelter so why should I be too worried???

Thanks for your valued input.
Regards, Trevor.

i agree with uncle

at least the centre can chip in i would mention it to the centre about how much you have saved them in lawyer fees

maybe the swim centre could still be sued for not up holding there duty of care
not for the loss of life ,but for neglect and as a result you have now lost

take it to vcat small claims against the centre

Hi Johnny,

It's the swim school offerring some monetry compensation, the parents haven't offerred jack yet. This would not be my response to the situation if the shoe was on the other foot, but who am I to say how everybody else should act in a given situation.

Thanks for your comments.
Trevor.

Bonz,

your opinion means more than most in this situation and I thank you for taking the time to respond. It has been taken on board and feel sure this is the choice I will take, it was what I was thinking all along anyway.

Trevor.

Actually take it one step further, take the money offered and buy the swim school some new equipment, like a life ring. That will put you up there with superstars.

Wiser words not spoken. Thank you for pointing it out and making it hit home.

Regards, Trevor.

Daz,

Thanks for the time to respond. I will not be going without food or shelter if I have to replace the PDA at my expense so the donation fund is not really necessary in this instance but thank you for your thoughts.

I will just wait for the "good things" to happen in the future, but I won't hold my breath till they do LOL!!

Cheers, Trevor.

Was my thoughts anyway so thank you for reinforcing them.

Regards, Trevor.

Yes trevor well done, you will be able to sleep easy for your efforts.

Thanks Eric for your great offer, hope you can help him.

I am sure your phone would be covered on your house insurance to Trevor, anything i take camping etc is covered by mine, its like loosing a wedding ring, most times there covered!

Cheers Pesty

Thanks Eric,

If I do as you say and use "electronic component washing fluid" how long can I expect things to last? I have someone lined up to do it but it will cost about what I am being offered as cash compensation. or would I be better to put the cash towards the cost of a replacement PDA/Phone? May be hard to get the phone to Melb??? as I am in Brissy.

PS it's an Imate JasJam what I am talking about if that makes any difference.

Thanks Pesty but no insurance in this instance.

Regards, Trevor.

Hi Trevor- bit of a rush saving a life isn't it?!!!

Now for the phone- does is power up/ work at all?
If you haven't already removed the battery- DO IT NOW!
And DO NOT put it on charge.
Also DO NOT 'wash' it in water again!- that's what killed it in the first place- it could be demineralised, cleanest water available- doesn't mater- don't wash it.
Also please don't use "electronic parts cleaner"- this stuff isn't meant to leave a residue, but most out there is cheap crap and will leave a bigger mess behind than what you started with.
You might get SUPER lucky and not have done any real damage, but it is highly unlikely- sorry.
The Telstra Repair Centre won't usually touch a phone with liquid ingress/ damage even for a paid repair, due to having to apply their own 90day warranty to all repairs- and most water-damage repairs would bounce, resulting in a cost to the business when phones have to be replaced.
LastAussieWorker was lucky, but they probably made an exception as it sounds like he was in a similar situation to you.
Try electronics shop, and buy some 'Isopropyl Alcohol' and you might be able to get an 'esd' safe scrubbing brush and go to town on the circuit board/s- the ipa will evaporate away. Before handling the board, try to 'discharge' your personal static charge by touching something grounded.
At a minimum, you're likely to need a new battery.
Unfortunately the future for this phone/pda is fairly bleak- these pcb now are double-sided, 'multiple-layer' boards, meaning that you can clean the surface, but corrossion can occur between the boards' layers, also chipsets on board are likely to have been short circuited while powered up in the drink. Also most chips now are 'bga' designs, which entail a grid of tiny balls of solder underneath the chip to contact the board, and you can't get under to clean.
If a repair centre were to repair, they would strip phone, scrub with ipa, 'reflow' entire board including bga's, test and reflash s/w and possibly firmware, retune, replace speaker, mic any required cosmetics, re-assemble, test again and send out.
But with a dunking like that, even if it got working again- it's working on borrowed time (sorry!)
(I used to be an repair tech at the Telstra Repair Centre in Mentone, Vic).

Hi junior,

All removeable things were removed immediately and left out for 4 days before I was game to turn on for myself. To my surprise it powered up but phone mic didn't work and it seems a bit slower to do tasks but it was new before the drink and I may be imagining slower speeds????? still using an older PDA at present to get me by.

Sounds like I should put the cash offer towards a new unit as opposed to getting the wet one "repaired"

Thanks for the input.
Trevor.

Sorry Trevor, but yes, that would be my advice. Also (and you've probably already done this) back the jigger up while you can!

Strangely enough one of the parents was at poolside but didn't hear the muffled scream where I did. Still would not have stood round negotiating none the less.

Thanks for your advice.
Trevor.

Yep, the new swim school has been sought as I don't want my son in that same situation and needing a bystanders help.

Thanks.

Thanks T.R from another T.R good advice.

Trevor.

Too true Barnsey and I hope I do bump into them in the future, in better circumstances of course.

Trevor.

Yeah Gramps after reading all the responses I am starting to think it was almost, a gift given to me, and it doesn't matter what it cost me financially.

Cheers mate,
Trevor.

Perhaps the family involved cannot afford to replace the loss and are embarrassed about such a heroic act (which I am sure they would applaud) going underservedly that way

I agree Bonz

Willie, they may not be able to afford it and could be/would be very embarrassed at not being able to do anything, lets not make judgements in such a manner.

I'm with Bonz here matey...... no need to cause any embarrasement over it.

I agree fellas,
If I knew they were short of dough I would not embarrass them . I gave my advice knowing nothing about these people .
Willie .

Hi Steve,

Paid by B/Card. 14 days later and it would have been purchased with my new Visa and it would have had warranty but no warranty with B/Card :-(((

Cheers Trevor.

I agree with you, Roachie, even if just from the point of view of making them aware of the gravity of the situation.

Trevor, like others have said, find a new swimming school. Kids are going there to learn how not to drown, not to end up drowned.

I would feel VERY uncomfortable accepting ANY money from the parents of the child......... They should not be made to feel as though they need to place a "value" on the life of their child.....end of 'that' story.

The pool people however.........? well, they would have insurance policy etc to cover various losses, but probably not when someone "loses" something in their bloody pool.

The pool people should be doing bloody cart-wheels to try and thank Trevor for saving the reputation of their sorry-@rsed business.......