THE CHEAP POWER INVERTER OPTION

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THE CHEAP POWER INVERTER OPTION

A way of providing real non-generator power in the bush is to use
an inverter. For a long time these have simply been to expensive
except for low power requirements but recently Chinese imports have
changed this like so many things. This option is now worth a
serious look, and can be the cheapset Watt/dollar option available.

I have a need to use a jack hammer and angle grinders in the bush and
while my generators can do the job its a time/space/weight waster to
set one up. With the inverter its plug in and switch on!
And amazingly the inverter delivers the goods for a weight of only 5kg,
about a third that of those cute Yamaha/Honda 1kva items, whilst
actually out powering them at the same time and to boot being a lot
quieter (with non-diesel engine car running), and leaving a $1000
change in your pocket.

Its disadvantage is that for any serious power output you should run the
car engine and as best as I can tell it uses around 3 times the fuel.
In reality though the actual cost of cooking tea or whatever is still
very low however the inverter option is in my opinion more suited to short
1/2 hour type applications than long running times which favour a generator.
(Note- Our trip setup is car only - no campers and big battery banks)

Not withstanding this, if your just charging your laptop or some other
light load, then the inverter is fine for hours without an engine
running.

I brought my 1500W inverter from EBAY for $200 + $20 delivery from
Waterside trading company, who seem to sell lots of them from $200-$300
and still do as of this date 27/11/06.
From many stores inverters in this power range cost nearly $1000 but
a similar model to mine is available from Jaycar under the "Powertech"
brand label for $600 retail (cat MI5114). So for nearly 3 times the
price you get a certified to Australian standards unit and no doubt
better warranty and service options, and Australian only 240v plugs.
I couldn't even find a single reference to "who made mine" in the
advertising or skimpy manual that came with it.

Take your choice!

The actual inverter is a very impressive unit and lives up to its
claims well. Its is very efficient and takes a long time to heat up
and switch on its twin cooling fans. It has multiple over/under voltage
protection modes and can even display the car battery volts and the
power output in watts it is providing.
The standby current without a load is 1.4amp -> which drops to only
0.5 amps in few seconds as the fans turn off. Amazing for a device
that can supply 2 horsepower of mains power.

My unit easily provided 1400w at 11.9V. This was all my battery
and car generator could provide whilst delivering 135 amps.
With its 90% efficiency only 140w would be lost and heating up
the inverter. I couldn't measure this accurately but was able to
cook 4 slices of toast without the inverter getting hot or its
cooling fans operating so it clearly is an effect device.

These inverters are not sine wave devices and generate a square wave
designed to approximate the power that mains appliances use.
Even with good equipment I found it hard to measure this
approximation accurately and estimate that the inverter delivers
about 90% of the power to an appliance that it would use from the mains.
This is partly because they run at about 230v whereas the mains is often
240 or more volts. As they are also only 90% efficient this cancels out
when working out loads and as a rule of thumb if the appliance draws
500w it will draw about the same from your car battery.

E.G. With a lux meter I measured light output from 3 different light
sources and it was 10% higher running from mains at 240v than the inverter.

The inverter runs most things from lights to small fridges, angle grinders
drills, immersion heaters, small oven,small kettle, toaster and things of this
nature however you should not assume it will run everything and if
something is particularly important I would check first.

A real test for mine was my 1500w electric circular saw.
This gave the inverter something to think about, as the start up
current on some electric motors and compressor driven items can be
3-5 times the running power.

Mine is rated at 3000w surge, and as I switched on the Saw the red
over-current light came on. However these new inverters have a sort
of soft start mode in which they cut in/out a few times to get motors
running and after about 3 seconds of will I /won't I the Saw spun
up to speed and I made short work of some branches blocking my way.

The inverter also gets around the problem of cooking on total fire
ban days with gas appliances, and these days authorities tend to
be not so happy with generators and many require knapsacks at the
ready and large clear spaces.

Other advantages include the ability to deliver power at a
distance via lightweight 7.5amp extension leads in a way that
we could never do with our 12v equipment.

We configure our setups dependant on the trip, usually
camping out the back of the car and surprisingly the inverter
can actually mean less net load complication and my wife is
a lot more comfortable with it than a generator.

While the Inverter can sit comfortably under our Nissan
Patrol's front seat, we prefer to set it up as required
with bonnet up on a special little mounting plate as opposed
to a permanent fixture. To make this setup practical we have
a permanent 175amp Anderson plug lead across the battery which
allows for a quick connect/disconnect set up.

Note- 175amp Anderson type plugs vary massively in price. Jarcar
list them at $37.95, typically their about $25 each whilst we paid
$16.35 from Australian Warning systems in Vic.

A couple of unusual uses have been found for our setup.
There is often bikes and bruises around our camp and a 300w infra
heat globe is worth its weight in cheap wine.
We usually carry a cheap 18AH SLA battery for powering lights
, radios etc when the car is away from camp and the inverter will run
light loads quite happily from it such as my 60watt soldering iron
and for the ladies a compact and cheap fan.

Which 240v items are on essential depends on your point of view.
While a small electric chainsaw for Xmas looks good to me I am
currently in a skirmish over Hot-rollers , but am still holding
the line on the wifes hairdryer.

I would not reccomend to have all your important stuff running
via a generator/Inverter or any other single power source for
that matter when bush as a single failure can effect everything
dependant on it.
We carry both gas and 12v devices for lighting/cooking
etc even when taking 240v equivalents.

Conclusion
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Its the ability to provide serious power, cheaply, easily
in a small package without weighing down the car and to
allow one to use a myriad of already owned devices that
has made the inverter a practical camping accessory for us.

Robin Miller
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Reply By: anoldbuddy - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:36

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 14:36
Robin,
Congratulations on presenting a well-reasoned and considered treatise on the merits of 12v to mains inverters. Very practical stuff but will no doubt be rebuffed by those who prefer to carry a heavy and noisy generator for long time running of air conditioners etc without considering what a practical power source they have in their tow vehicle for all of those other short times when the convenience of mains power would be of great benefit. I myself carry in the van a 350W (1000W surge) sinewave inverter for most applications and it is wired such that if my high current feed from the car is active (ie engine turned on and van connected) it feeds from the car - if not it changes over and feeds from the two van batteries for those other low impact loads such as phone, camera or laptop charging.

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Follow Up By: 3.0turbob - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 15:42

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 15:42
Wow! you ACTUALLY read all that ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 16:37

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 16:37
my thoughts exactly :-)

well done Robin. I must reread it to let it sink in ;-)

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Follow Up By: Robin - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 18:47

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 18:47
Thanks An old buddy.

The idea of having it come on when car engine is running is a good one , if my wife wins the Hot Rollers skimish I am bound to end up with a flat battery sooner or later.

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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 17:33

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 17:33
Go the hot rollers, at least they are silent....when they are putting them in their hair hahahahaha
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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 17:47

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 17:47
I have no real problems with your reasoning other then I would have thought that your jack hammer would be pushing the current limits.

There are always pros and cons, you can always charge your vehicle battery from the generator but you will be *** out of luck if you only have the inverter :-))

I do like the peace and quiet though.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 01:04

Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 01:04
Yeh he's got a nice hushy quiet JACKHAMMER too
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Reply By: Jimbo - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 18:56

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 18:56
I just love that bit about the toaster. My inverter is only 600 watts and I can't find a toaster that draws less than 750 and they trip the inverter.

Agree with everything else you had to say too.
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Follow Up By: Robin - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 21:03

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 21:03
I see your problem Jimbo - is that why you want the old style toaster !

These system have to be put to-gether as a whole don't they - no good having an inverter without a good selection of stuff it can run.

There's a couple of radical solutions if your into electricity but staying away from those there's an outside chance that your toaster may work with a light 7.5a 20m extension co-ord. At the current prices though it may be time to upgrade your inverter's power.

Couple of weeks ago I referred to a low powered (650w) toaster oven on sale during november in victorian Big-w stores for the ridiculus price of $29.

This oven has two 325w elements , one above and one below and they are selectable from its front panel controls - so if the whole thing doesn't work
(which it might just) at least you can toast one side at a time with it.

The oven is about twice the size of a small toaster but it can do much more than than toast and may mean you take less in total.

In another post I refferred to making an improved or Better 12v camping stove.
I had left over trays from this project and found that they fitted the toaster oven perfectly.

After some conjoling (its late) , this resulted in the wife producing a beautiful
apple & apricot crumble for tea - camping is looking good this Xmas.

Robin Miller

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Reply By: Sam from Weipa Auto Electrics - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 19:07

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 19:07
Amazing what an inverter can do nowdays.
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Reply By: johnny - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 21:21

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 21:21
wow thats a lot to read

just wanted to say one thing

you stated that it is a square inverter not sine wave which is fine they have been around for many years

BUT!
i would not run sensitive computer equipment on it with square wave its not a stable 240 volt power if fluctuates to much

pure sine wave is the best but also cost heaps but just sine wave is fine for computers and other things i have been using inverters for years all my cars and work cars have them
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 22:41

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 22:41
Beat me to it....a square wave is no good for running transformers in computers or tellies...also plays havoc with variable speed drills etc... remember the auto arc alternaters??? they produced 240v dc, which would run motors and lights, toasters,etc I think i still have the old one sided toaster for when i want to toast a sambo....just beut...
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Follow Up By: slammin - Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 23:29

Tuesday, Nov 28, 2006 at 23:29
Guys please correct me if I'm wrong but I thought that most travellers would be running laptops and therefore the transformer, for my Dell for eg., 240v > 14.4v is external to the laptop and thus no chance of computer damage?

I also remember reading somewhere here that creating 240v to then transform it back down to 14.4v was pretty wasteful/pointless? The best way to run a computer was thru the ciggy lighter??

Any ideas?

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Follow Up By: Angler - Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 00:27

Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 00:27
Has anyone ever checked the wave form of one of those UPS's, you know the ones that power computers when there is an unexpected power fail.

Check out the "of interest" page on www.bycompass.com

Now thats a pretty bad wave form.

Pooley
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Follow Up By: Robin - Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 08:19

Wednesday, Nov 29, 2006 at 08:19
Hi Guys

Theres a couple of issues there , but first the frequency stability of the supply has nothing to do with wether its a square wave or sine wave unit.

Once it wasn't but these days the frequency is seperately generated. Its just that in the past square wave units were much cheaper to build than sine wave units and hence the electronics where not invested to make it accurate. The way it was generated meant it shifted all over the place with load, and different frequencies could generate more heat losses in any subsquent transformer and some other loads that it would drive.

The use of specialized IC's has removed a lot of that.

Sine wave converters are the best though , while square wave units do most jobs at a price we can afford.

The shape of the wave (square) can itself be a source of extra issues which is why they cannot drive everthing correctly.

Angler's link shows that in fact most computer run with poor waveforms on UPS.

Slammin - I am one of the proponents of direct computer connection and use this on my Toshiba laptop ,as there is little point in up converting just to downconvert..

Dozer - I still have a 240VDC generator and it provides a lot more low down torque for my jack hammer than my Honda gennie or new inverter.

Robin Miller

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