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Submitted: Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 17:38
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dags666
hi does any body know of how to tell how much gas is left in a lpg gas bottle. they say you can weigh them on a bathroom scale ,if so what would say a 9 kg bottle weigh empty or i heard you can pour hot water on the side of them. it would be handy i a bit tired of taking bottles back with gas in them because you like to know they are full when you go camping
Reply By: hoyks - Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 18:08
Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 18:08
The bottle should have a Tare weight stamped around the top somewhere, so if you had scales that were accurate enough, weigh it and take that number off will tell you how much is in it. My 9kg bottle weighs 8kg by that.
Not much help, but I used to work at a rural supplies place and did filling. We would weigh the bottle, fill it, then weigh it again and only charge by the kg which was handy if you were only after a top-up. Not many
places do that any more.
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Follow Up By: Trevor R (QLD) - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 21:31
Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 21:31
Hardware store in
Tully FNQ still did it this way, last time I was up that far. Should be the norm as far as I am concerned.
Trevor.
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Reply By: Bilbo - Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 18:16
Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 18:16
Wazza,
I'm afraid that I have to tell you that the method described is dangerous. People do get away with it, but on the odd occasion they get burnt, badly burnt.
The reason is that LPG in a gas bottle is liquid. Inside the bottle is a short dip tube. It's not long enough to go into the liquid, but if you tip the bottle and liquid does then enter the dip tube, it can get trapped in the dip tube by vapour locking.
The next time you come to use the gas stove, you get a slug of liquid propane coming out. That liquid propane goes into the burner and expands at a great rate ( I can't remember the exact expansion factor but I think it's 60 times for propane). We'll say 60 times for this discussion. So instead of a whisp of gas at the burner you get about 60 times that whisp.
AND WHOOMPAH. It blows up in yer face.
My mate's wife got caught just like this on a
Gibb River Road trip. They never did complete thier trip around Oz as she spent 2 weeks in hospital and several months with skin grafts.
This is the reason it is illegal to carry an LPG bottle in any other position except UPRIGHT.
Acetylene bottles are OK to ship on thier sides as they are not liquid but merely compressed gas. Same with oxygen.
Take care,
Bilbo
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Follow Up By: macca172 - Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 18:21
Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 18:21
I was taught at trade school that Acetylene cylinders are to be transported upright on their bases at all times?
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Follow Up By: wazzaaaa - Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 18:25
Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 18:25
Thanks for the heads up on that bilbo that is the first I heard of that so up till now I must of been lucky, not knocking my father i law but he did mean
well
Wazzaaaaa
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 19:07
Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 19:07
Macca,
It doesn't make much difference, in this context, how you transport oxy & acetylene cylinders as they are both compressed gas inside.
However, it is always safer to transport 'em upright and secured as that way they can't roll and snap the brass fitting at the top of the bottle. It's fun,fun,fun when they snap off!!
Bilbo
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Follow Up By: wazzaaaa - Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 19:22
Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 19:22
Hey but how bout my seciond option that one I thought up all by myself
Wazza
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 19:24
Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 19:24
I seem to remember that acetelyene is actually disolved in acetone or something similar and is not just a compressed gas.
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Follow Up By: Max - Sydney - Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 20:07
Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 20:07
Bilbo - acetylene is not a compressed gas - as Kiwi Kia said, its dissolved in acetone and a good way to have an unpleasant time is to let acetone in the valve & subsequently escape & explode. Bad as liquid lpg getting out.
Best rule - keep them all upright unless you have been trained.
Wazza - all the fancy techniques are fine - you can even get strips of temperature sensitive tape to stick on the side of the bottles at most camping & caravanning stores. Bit easier than the hot water
test but same principle. I find it just as easy to tap the bottle with the handle of a screwdriver. It "rings" where there's gas and "thuds" where there is liquid. Gives a reasonable indication of whether the bottle is nearly full or nearly empty.
Carrying a second bottle (even a small one) is the best way to not waste gas, because almost nobody weighs before and after any more. I've given up and use swap cylinders - bit dearer but much easier to get a full one.
Max
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Follow Up By: wazzaaaa - Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 20:19
Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 20:19
Hi Max, the thing I don't like about swap and go is I lose my gal cylinder and get a painted one. As we go up
the beach several times a year rust is a problem and I have seen 4 year old bottles rust to the point they are unsafe at the retest place near me at capalaba in
brisbane. Some times I can get 9kgs filled for $14.90 when on special so as I have 4 bottles I am always looking out for specials.
Wazzaaaaaaaaa
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 22:23
Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 22:23
Wazza,
",,,,,,,,,,,Hey but how bout my seciond option that one I thought up all by myself
Wazza,,,,,,,,,"
That is the safest option Wazza ;)
Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Member - Brian H (QLD) - Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 08:50
Sunday, Dec 03, 2006 at 08:50
Expansion is 270 to 1 :) and yes testing the level by tipping over in not and real good option at all.
Acetylene cylinders should also be transported upright, not that i see a lot of that happening.
Brian
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Reply By: Bilbo - Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 22:16
Saturday, Dec 02, 2006 at 22:16
I seem to remember that you could be right about the acetone is acetylene bottles,,,,,,
I haven't used oxy/acet for a long time.
Anyway - don't tilt LPG bottles.
Gettin' old.
Bilbo
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