landcruiser 2H oil pressure!?

Submitted: Wednesday, Dec 06, 2006 at 22:50
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I`m running out of ideas to solve this problem. Had the 2H diesel in my HJ47 rebuilt by a reputable engine reconditioner 5000km`s ago but it still has the same "fault" that it had before the rebuild. On initial startup in the morning it takes too long for the oil pressure to build up and the oil pressure cutout switch will turn off the engine 2, sometimes 3 times before oil pressure builds, up to 15 seconds running time with no oil pressure. I have been associated with this cruiser and it`s original owner since new and it has always been a problem.
I`ve tried different brand oil filters thinking the check valve within the filter could be the cause but no. The oil pump was checked and fitted with a different spring (apparently increases oil pressure at idle). Operating oil pressure is fine. Does anyone know if there are any other check valves in the engine to stop oil draining back to the sump? I heard that there could be a valve in the oil cooler.
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Reply By: Footloose - Wednesday, Dec 06, 2006 at 23:20

Wednesday, Dec 06, 2006 at 23:20
Are you sure that the oil pressure monitoring system is OK ? Maybe there's pressure but it doesn't sense it and cuts the engine off ?
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Reply By: 666toy - Wednesday, Dec 06, 2006 at 23:25

Wednesday, Dec 06, 2006 at 23:25
Interesting,
when the eng was rebuilt the oil pump should have been reconditioned as well. I would be talking to your mechanic about that post haste.
Have you checked oil pressure with a external quality gauge (not a $10 special from supercheap)? Do not rely on original o/pres gauge often faulty with the old 45 60 & 75 series

the sender for the shut off could be at fault (very common in the 2h)

remember the eng was rebuilt not the bolt on,s although good mechanics replace all senders temp oil etc with a rebuild but if they have not replaced the oil pump (witch is really a must on a rebuilt eng) then i doubt they changed the senders. try this first you may be surprised.

The only check valves are in the 12ht not the 2h

most likely sender unit ................666TOY

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Follow Up By: texus - Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 21:34

Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 21:34
I think you may be onto something there, the engine rebuilder assures me that everything was replaced or re-conditioned and I believe this to be true however this problem could be caused by the oil pump struggling to prime due to excessive clearances although I am still leaning towards thinking that it is simply taking a long time for the pump to fill the empty oil galleries, I have recently noticed that just before the oil pressure gauge flickers into life the engine shudders on it's mounts, very lightly.
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Follow Up By: 666toy - Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 22:14

Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 22:14
check oil pressure with a external gauge first. if it is not priming return to re builders & have oil pump exchanged immediately do not let them tell you "this is normal for a 2h blabla bla.." I can assure you it is not normal (i am a mechanic myself) They should not have returned the vehicle to you before this problem was rectified. The last 2h i rebuilt had full pressure in no time . Yours should too..no check valve on the oil cooler in a 2h just checked my manual (Toyota genuine manual) If you are running dry you will do irreparable damage sooner than later.
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Reply By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 00:03

Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 00:03
If you've check the oil pressure independently, I'd be checking the sender unit. The Deisel system has a similar set up for moisture (under the driver) for fuel, and I had this show warnings on the last trip, despite the fact it was drained and the filter replaced. Some of these old electronics can go a bit 'wacky'. Until you check the sender unit, you won't know if you've got a real prob or not.

BTW, texus, I'f you got any photo's of the old girl, I'd like to see them - a couple of my HJ47 are in my profile - the old Troopies are almost bulletproof ....
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Follow Up By: texus - Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 21:12

Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 21:12
I have'nt checked the oil pressure with an external gauge as the sender for the oil cutout is new, the dashboard gauge appears to be working fine as it won't register anything until the oil cutout circut lets the engine run...so i'm still thinking that it is a genuine problem of not retaining oil in the engine when switched off.

Bugga, I can't post a photo because I am not a member, but I can tell you about it. It's a 5/84 model that was my Uncle's farm ute that finally died about 4 years ago and was stored in a shed for around 2 years. When he could'nt sell it he gave it to me. The cab was in reasonable condition ie. no rust etc but everything else was knackered so I thought it had potential to be rebuilt although it has cost more than I anticipated (these things always do), about $19,000 in parts alone but it does now drive like brand new. I changed the origional 4.1 diff gears for 3.5's and installed sound insulation to keep cab noise down to a dull roar. I have the origional purchase papers, new it cost $14,763 including bull bar and O.R.C. Those were the days!
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Reply By: Nick R - Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 08:52

Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 08:52
I had a similar problem, for me the guage fuse was blown, the engine would start and then shut off a second or 2 later.
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Reply By: brumac - Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 18:01

Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 18:01
I owned the same type of vehicle many years ago. The only time this happend to me it turned out to be a dodgy oil filter. I also replaced the check valve at the oil pump but I seem to remember thier being one in the oil cooler as well.
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Follow Up By: texus - Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 21:46

Thursday, Dec 07, 2006 at 21:46
I am hoping it is only a check valve. Is the ckeck valve at the oil pump really a check valve? I suspect it might be the pressure relief valve.
Another member advised that the 2H does not have a check valve in the oil cooler (only 12HT), Can anyone expand on this? My engine is an early 2H (no timing inspection plug on timing cover), could later 2H's have a check valve in the oil cooler to rectify this problem?
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Reply By: Phil100 - Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 12:07

Friday, Dec 08, 2006 at 12:07
I,ve owned one of these and mine would cut out like yours does if I used any thing other than a genuine toyota oil filter. There is an oil pressure relief valve on the left hand side of the motor which causes problems of over pressurising the oil filter causing it to balloon and then leak. Ive seen about 1/2 dozen of these over the years. Yours could have a fault with this valve as it might be sticking open instead of closed. Its simple to inspect. Theres a 22 or 24mm plug on the left hand side of the engine block, down low at the front. Remove this and there is a plunger and spring inside. The plunger gets a wear groove causing it to stick. Toyota dealers used to keep them in stock, were about $20 about 5 years ago. hope this helps
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