R151F Conversion to H151F

Submitted: Tuesday, Dec 12, 2006 at 19:32
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RE; post id 40123. I have a '98 100 series , 1hz diesel (aftermarket Turbo), with R151F Gearbox. Gearbox needs major overhaul. I wanted to put in a heavier box H151F / H150F. Looking for advise and or other ppls experience in this process. Vehicle is used for work with up to 1/2 tonne in the back and also tow heavy trailers. wanting to maybe at a later date (when$$$$ avail) to a motor conversion. I have dont a fair few mods to vehicle and have it set up just how i want it ( nearly anyway!!!!).So far have the gearboxand transfer, and getting the bellhousing.I know i will have to alter drive shafts. WOndering about Input/ Output shafts?? Any info much appreciated.Keep it real. looking forward to your replies Regards Kirsten
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Tuesday, Dec 12, 2006 at 19:53

Tuesday, Dec 12, 2006 at 19:53
Gday
you need one petrol 100 series gearbox and transfer and driveshafts...and crossmember....and an 80 series diesel bellhousing and (either of these combos) turbo diesel clutch and flywheel....or std 1hz flywheel and a fzj75 clutchplate.
The reason you need 100 series 5 speed, is the gear shift is in a different place on the 80 box. The bells are interchangeable, the clutch spline is different on the h151 to the h150 (petrol to 1hz box)
Andrew
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Follow Up By: keepingitreal - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:51

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:51
Many thnx Andrew. See how we go. waiting on a few parts from Toyhatsu wrecckers in Melbourne,they have been fantastic and very well priced too. I'd recommend them to anyone. Really appreciate that advice ,regards Kirsten
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Follow Up By: keepingitreal - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 12:31

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 12:31
Just a quick note to your reply Andrew, is the 100 series petrol box the same as the turbo diesel box? (H151F) Many thnx Kirsten (NSW)
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 15:56

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 15:56
The factory turbo box is thesame as a petrol box...(h151)...and will bolt straight up to the 1hz, with the original t/d bellhousing on it.....you then need a t/d flywheel or a fzj75 clutch plate for your 1hz clutch..the difference is a 1hz clutch is 11 inches diameter and the t/d 12 inches....if you can get a t/d flywheel, all the better for integrity...the larger clutch is not as hard to push in as a smaller heavier duty clutch like a safari tough clutch for instance.
You will find it alot easier to procure a petrol 5 speed as suggested above.
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Follow Up By: keepingitreal - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 16:31

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 16:31
Cheers,ANDREW, invaluable advice. I do hope i can help you out with anything in the future. Much appreciated. Keep it real , regards Kirsten (NSW)
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Follow Up By: 120scruiser (NSW) - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 21:09

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 21:09
Hi keeping it real
I have a 1HDT flywheel and second hand clutch set up if you need.
I am in Penrith. If you reply with your email I will be in contact.
120scruiser
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Follow Up By: keepingitreal - Thursday, Dec 14, 2006 at 11:19

Thursday, Dec 14, 2006 at 11:19
Hey 120 cruiser, How much? Prob put in new clutch. Has that one done many km's? contact me on kjrich@bigpond.net.au , regards Kirsten
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Follow Up By: keepingitreal - Thursday, Dec 14, 2006 at 12:32

Thursday, Dec 14, 2006 at 12:32
Dozer, checked out your profile. intersting! hows the turbo on the petrol? THnxs again for your input into my gearbox prob. Can you bring your 4x4 group (RAINMAKERS) out to central west!!! LOL
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Follow Up By: keepingitreal - Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 15:41

Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 15:41
G'day Andrew, just a quick reply to say thanxs and fill u in on where i am! H151F gearbox and suitable bellhousing, with turbo (12") flywheel and turbo clutch. Will have to modify driveshafts (ALL TOOEASY). thanxs for the tips! many regards Kirsten
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 17:15

Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 17:15
Gday
The rainmakers spent the last few weeks on the side of the Murrumbidgie out of Narrandra....when they got back home, it started raining....lol....

Kirsten i have a rear tailshaft out of a manual 80...should be thesame as what your looking for. i also have an 80 transfer shifter and a 100 transfer
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Reply By: cowpat - Tuesday, Dec 12, 2006 at 21:57

Tuesday, Dec 12, 2006 at 21:57
Kirsten, I have an HZJ105 (live axle) 1999, did the R151F gearbox and clutch in. I went to the wreckers with a tape measure and, after some other experiences, got the following:

H150F gearbox from HDJ79, with original rubber mount
80 series gearshift lever (7X series is wrong bend)
80 series transfer case (with internal oil pump; 100 series has only drip feed)
80 series transfer shift lever and mount (this was the hard part)
80 series T/D flywheel (don't bother getting the 100 series flywheel redrilled)
(new) T/D clutch kit (Toyota)

I used the bellhousing that came with the gearbox, but the 80 and 100 series appear identical.

The gearbox and tranny case meet up perfectly, and with the original rubber mount they fit straight into the HZJ105 crossmember, no mods required; you'll notice the offsets of the H and R series mounts are different which is why this works. The transfer case output drive flanges are in exactly the same locations (measured to within 2 mm) so you don't need mods to either driveshaft.

The 80 series transfer shift lever mount puts the transfer shift lever in exactly the right spot, all you need to do is retain the original top part of the lever (with the bend in it) from the 100 series - the 80 series one is too short and at the wrong angle.

The 80 series gearbox shift lever is ok, although as the 100 series has a larger base diameter I drilled out the internals of the top (rubber mounted) bit and pressed it on to the cut-down 80 series lever.

The 105 wiring loom will just reach all the switches, but you do have to do a bit of unwinding and retaping as it is otherwise too short.

I tore down both the gearbox and transfer case for inspection. Replaced input gear and third plus all bearings in the gearbox. Currently running on Castrol Syntrax. No problems so far, although the H150F box is noticably slower-shifting than the R151F box, and has noticably lower ratios (with 33" tyres usually take off in second on the flat). T/D clutch slips a bit as the N/A diesel pulses at low revs on steep hills. Should possibly have gone for a heavy duty clutch.

It is in fact all too easy, I am surprised it worked out so well. It was obviously designed to drop straight in the first place (?).

Hints:

- you don't need to remove the exhaust - just the clamp on the bellhousing.
- I split/fitted the gearbox and transfer case independently because they are heavy, even on a jack (with transmission adaptor).
- maneuvering the gearbox in is tricky, work it out first with an unattached bellhousing, but remember it's harder once the input shaft's in there. Remember to put the box in gear first.

Good luck. Again - it was easy, don't believe all the rumour about driveshafts and welding crossmembers, making up new gearsticks etc, just choose your parts carefully and it will all bolt up perfectly. Casper
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Follow Up By: sjp - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 07:13

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 07:13
cowpat do you think the bearing or meshing noise (it's normal for these boxes,just turn the radio up- quote) can be caused by the only having a drip feed and not an internal pump,is there a place in the housing to fit one
simon
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Follow Up By: keepingitreal - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:55

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:55
Wow lots of information there CASPER, more for the grey matter to think about. I'll have a yarn to my local mechanic,as i already have a 100 series (heavy ) box & transfer thats only done 78000km. Many thnx for the advice, trully appreciated. Regards Kirsten (NSW)
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Follow Up By: cowpat - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 19:07

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 19:07
Simon, I don't think the drip feed system will affect the noise at all just the wear rate of the parts under duress, and then only if the amount that's sloshing/dripping about is insufficient; but then the 80 series transfer case I got secondhand looked totally horriffic on the outside but was "like new" inside. The gears are a different cut but only just slightly and the 100 series box uses needle rollers instead of a bush on the front output shaft presumably to deal with the lack of forced lubrication. And sorry you can't retrofit an oil pump into the 100 series tranny case - the case is quite different in shape due to the oil drip channel running to the front output housing and of course there won't be any oil galleries. I don't think it's worth swapping unless you have other reasons to do so.

Kirsten, no worries just passing on what I have learnt. I bought the gearbox and transfer from Paul at Toyhatsu and gave him the details of the install afterwards so he should be able to help you out. Casper
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Follow Up By: sjp - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 21:29

Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 21:29
thanks ,just trying to stop this annoying noise,the box is certainly smoother and faster in the 100 then my old 80 series
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Follow Up By: cowpat - Thursday, Dec 14, 2006 at 08:06

Thursday, Dec 14, 2006 at 08:06
Oh, *that* noise. Probably the gearbox input bearing. Yes the lack of oil pump in the R151F gearbox (talking gearbox now, not transfer case...) probably causes the bearing to die well before its time. You can live with the noise but if it gets louder than just a background annoying noise its time to have a look at it before it fails abruptly. Whether the possibility of abrubt failure is an issue or not depends on where you go and what your finances are like... Casper
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 17:20

Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 17:20
Cowpat...there are two 100 series transfers, one from behind the 1hz i think is what you say is drip fed...because the transfer behind the t/d and petrols is thesame as 80...with internal pump
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Follow Up By: cowpat - Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 21:13

Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 21:13
You're right, the part-time boxes are drip fed, the full-time boxes retain the pump (at least I think so). Casper
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Reply By: keepingitreal - Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 15:56

Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 15:56
Many thnx to Andrew (Dozer) And Casper(Cowpat), for your input into my little drama!!! PRoblem now solved. TRUSTY (tongue in cheek) old 1hz up front, then all turbo diesel from there back, Now if i have trouble in the bush it'll be easy for replacement parts (ie. Clutch), plus everything is heavier so if have to do a motor transplant @ later date i've got the goods. (V8 chev diesel / or 1hdt). Many thanks and happy motoring. Keep it real!!! regards Kirsten
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Reply By: keepingitreal - Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 16:15

Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 16:15
Just a quick plug for Toyhatsu Wrecking in Melbourne. Absolutely fantastic to deal with, and parts were some of the cheapest i priced. Very knowledgable,and i would recommend them with no hesitation! regards Kirsten (NSW)
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