Tuesday, Dec 12, 2006 at 21:57
Kirsten, I have an HZJ105 (live axle) 1999, did the R151F gearbox and clutch in. I went to the wreckers with a tape measure and, after some other experiences, got the following:
H150F gearbox from HDJ79, with original rubber mount
80 series gearshift lever (7X series is wrong bend)
80 series transfer case (with internal oil pump; 100 series has only drip feed)
80 series transfer shift lever and mount (this was the hard part)
80 series T/D flywheel (don't bother getting the 100 series flywheel redrilled)
(new) T/D clutch kit (Toyota)
I used the bellhousing that came with the gearbox, but the 80 and 100 series appear identical.
The gearbox and tranny case meet up perfectly, and with the original rubber mount they fit straight into the HZJ105 crossmember, no mods required; you'll notice the offsets of the H and R series mounts are different which is why this works. The transfer case output drive flanges are in exactly the same locations (measured to within 2 mm) so you don't need mods to either driveshaft.
The 80 series transfer shift lever mount puts the transfer shift lever in exactly the right spot, all you need to do is retain the original top part of the lever (with the bend in it) from the 100 series - the 80 series one is too short and at the wrong angle.
The 80 series gearbox shift lever is ok, although as the 100 series has a larger base diameter I drilled out the internals of the top (rubber mounted) bit and pressed it on to the cut-down 80 series lever.
The 105 wiring loom will just reach all the switches, but you do have to do a bit of unwinding and retaping as it is otherwise too short.
I tore down both the gearbox and transfer case for inspection. Replaced input gear and third plus all bearings in the gearbox. Currently running on Castrol Syntrax. No problems so far, although the H150F box is noticably slower-shifting than the R151F box, and has noticably lower ratios (with 33" tyres usually take off in second on the flat). T/D clutch slips a bit as the N/A diesel pulses at low revs on steep hills. Should possibly have gone for a heavy duty clutch.
It is in fact all
too easy, I am surprised it worked out so
well. It was obviously designed to drop straight in the first place (?).
Hints:
- you don't need to remove the exhaust - just the clamp on the bellhousing.
- I split/fitted the gearbox and transfer case independently because they are heavy, even on a jack (with transmission adaptor).
- maneuvering the gearbox in is tricky, work it out first with an unattached bellhousing, but remember it's harder once the input shaft's in there. Remember to put the box in gear first.
Good luck. Again - it was easy, don't believe all the rumour about driveshafts and welding crossmembers, making up new gearsticks etc, just choose your parts carefully and it will all bolt up perfectly. Casper
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Follow Up By: sjp - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 07:13
Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 07:13
cowpat do you think the bearing or meshing noise (it's normal for these boxes,just turn the radio up- quote) can be caused by the only having a drip feed and not an internal pump,is there a place in the housing to fit one
simon
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Follow Up By: keepingitreal - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:55
Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 11:55
Wow lots of information there CASPER, more for the
grey matter to think about. I'll have a yarn to my local mechanic,as i already have a 100 series (heavy ) box & transfer thats only done 78000km. Many thnx for the advice, trully appreciated. Regards Kirsten (NSW)
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Follow Up By: cowpat - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 19:07
Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 19:07
Simon, I don't think
the drip feed system will affect the noise at all just the wear rate of the parts under duress, and then only if the amount that's sloshing/dripping about is insufficient; but then the 80 series transfer case I got secondhand looked totally horriffic on the outside but was "like new" inside. The gears are a different cut but only just slightly and the 100 series box uses needle rollers instead of a bush on the front output shaft presumably to deal with the lack of forced lubrication. And sorry you can't retrofit an oil pump into the 100 series tranny case - the case is quite different in shape due to the oil drip channel running to the front output housing and of course there won't be any oil galleries. I don't think it's worth swapping unless you have other reasons to do so.
Kirsten, no worries just passing on what I have learnt. I bought the gearbox and transfer from Paul at Toyhatsu and gave him the details of the install afterwards so he should be able to help you out. Casper
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Follow Up By: sjp - Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 21:29
Wednesday, Dec 13, 2006 at 21:29
thanks ,just trying to stop this annoying noise,the box is certainly smoother and faster in the 100 then my old 80 series
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Follow Up By: cowpat - Thursday, Dec 14, 2006 at 08:06
Thursday, Dec 14, 2006 at 08:06
Oh, *that* noise. Probably the gearbox input bearing. Yes the lack of oil pump in the R151F gearbox (talking gearbox now, not transfer case...) probably causes the bearing to die
well before its time. You can live with the noise but if it gets louder than just a background annoying noise its time to have a look at it before it fails abruptly. Whether the possibility of abrubt failure is an issue or not depends on where you go and what your finances are like... Casper
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 17:20
Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 17:20
Cowpat...there are two 100 series transfers, one from behind the 1hz i think is what you say is drip fed...because the transfer behind the t/d and petrols is thesame as 80...with internal pump
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Follow Up By: cowpat - Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 21:13
Friday, Dec 15, 2006 at 21:13
You're right, the part-time boxes are drip fed, the full-time boxes retain the pump (at least I think so). Casper
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