transmissions a bit of a joke!.
Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 21:09
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Member - Axle
After reading posts for the last 12mths and noticing the amount of transmission probs with four bys, ( including my own) ii personally think Landrover, Nissan, Toyo,,
need to get there act together!!. In the last ten years their been just building them way to light. Lube probs, splines wearing, bearing failure, etc.. With more hp, and torque on the way with different models, they need to get on top of these stupid faults. It should be easier to build a gearbox capable of 500,000ks, trouble free service, than a bloody motor. My mate has a 2wd rodeo tray back that is used every day in his landscaping business, and that thing has done 400,000ks on the original gearbox, diff, with out a drama.
My Thoughts only,
Cheers Axle
Reply By: Dave198 - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 21:23
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 21:23
Axle, I think in the last ten years there has been more emphasis on getting the fourbys to ride and drive like a car, including the noise level inside.
So the design of the gearboxes has changed.
My 60 series isn't much like a 80 or 100 series or GU to drive, but look at the sales figures of the fourbys over the last ten years.
I am not too sure the manufacturers would have many sleepless nights over the cost and frequency of repair bills that you get.
All they are interested in is keeping the production line going.
How many soft roaders were on the market ten years ago?
I think the manufacturers just want to either expand or create a market for their vehicles, and if that means making them more like a limo, then so be it.
Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 21:30
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 21:30
I know what your saying mate, but the the soft roaders appear to be having less probs overall than the heavier four bys
Cheers..
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Follow Up By: Dave198 - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 21:40
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 21:40
But are the soft roaders doing the same job as the bigger ones?
Does the average soft roader owner do what the average bigger one does?
Really what I was getting at was the manufacturers have created a whole new market because generally a lot of the fourbys spend a lot of time on the bitumen.
Look at the small fourbys, the old Suzis and even the old Diahatsu, lotsa farms had those to run around in. Not many Rav's out there doin the same job.
Cheers
Dave
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 22:07
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 22:07
Dave 198.
I totally agree with you as far as building them like a limo, and having as many attractive gismoes as possible, to keep their little niche in the market, so competitive, but i still think if you drove a soft roader to it maxium desiigned ability, it would still more than likely be less troublesome than a heavier 4wd driven to its maxium ability.
Cheers.Axle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 01:50
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 01:50
Not alot right with a 60 series g box they had a bad habit of popping out of 5th certainly my 75 gearbox did and others i talked too were the same
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Follow Up By: Shane (QLD) - Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 07:09
Wednesday, Jan 03, 2007 at 07:09
Davoe (
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What K's approx do they start jumping out of 5th. Mines a 83 5 speed with 253,000 K's & still going strong touch wood.
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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 22:28
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 22:28
Where do you think the generic name 'SUV' came from ? That's what they are building !
We use then off road and for hard yakka trips but that is not what they are designed for these days. The designer wants the 4wd on his drawing board to be used by families in the northern hemisphere, summer or winter, a little dust maybe followed by a little snow & ice.
Take a big car with no chassis, square the corners, big donk with transfer case and front drive shaft. Through in traction control etc etc. Put the dog and the fishing poles behind the back
seat, add a couple of ankle biters, put swmbo in the front pass
seat and got a modern 4wd.
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Reply By: Outnabout David (SA) - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 23:16
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 23:16
Maybe it is the driver in some cases.
There are plenty of vehicles used as four wheel drives with no problems but of course not many people post to forums saying I have driven 500,000k and not had problems.
Percentage wise I thinlk components stand up pretty
well and the vehicles overall are better built and more reliable with little maintenance required compared to years gone by.
How many of you remember having to change points and plugs every 20K as
well as fuel filters?
A lot of time people think they will save a buck by doing their own service and thats fine if they know what they are doing. I would like a dollar for every landcruiser out there running the wrong oil in the gearbox which itself can cause problems. Maybe Mr
home mechanic doesent always notice tell tale signs of oil seals leaking which may just be a drip.But over time could mean oil levels are low.
No I think a lot of the problems are self inflicted, either lack of
driver training or lack of maintenance and a lot of times this could be by the previous owner. People often go like a bull at a
gate to go over obstacles putting undue stress on components.
Any way just food for thought and from 30 years in the 4wd business
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 23:57
Tuesday, Jan 02, 2007 at 23:57
Alot of problems are self inflicted, To those that may not be mechanically minded as others! Tech minded versus mech minded ??. My point is these slow oil leaks due to poor build quality, poor component quality, do lead to a multitude of premature mechcanical failure, but when considering the cost of these vehicles to begin with, and theirs a lot out there that have not been abused, BLOODY oil seals,
Bearings, & shafts should not have to be replaced in the first five years of the vechicles life.
Cheers Axle.
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