Which towing vehicle for Geist Caravan

Submitted: Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 14:00
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We are slowly preparing for several years of travel around Oz in about 12 months from now and hope to find some valuable answers here from people in the know:

Just a couple of points to get my question on track:
1. We would like to later on purchase one of the lighter German caravans like the Geist with a ATM of about 1800Kg and a towball weight of 100Kg. (No WDH needed as the Geist (Winterhoff)) coupling supposedly takes care of this.
2. Without starting WWIII we prefer diesel.
3. We will be mostly on bitumen with the odd bit of dirt track but no real 4WD stuff.
4. Don't want to have to upgrade anything on towing vehicle i.e buy and drive.

Going with that which towing vehicle would you recommend based on your experience in relation to towing capability, reserves in towing weight or whatelse there maybe..
Appreciating all constructive comments and I realise this is a very open question.
Gerard
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Reply By: Wayne-o - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 14:19

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 14:19
make and model will not matter, simply as long as the towing capability is more than van weight, it is deisel, and has a towball, and a big enough tank for you driving range needs.
A 4wd will be better only because of the long range tanks, extra power, and space, but any 4wd on the market will be able to tow that van, it wheter you want long range tanks, ie prado has 180l capacity, more power, ie landcruiser or patrol turbo diesel, and space interior wise for cargo and comfort.
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Reply By: flappa - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 14:22

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 14:22
Hyundai Terracan CRDi, just specify the Towing Pack prior to delivery.

Will tow a van that weight easily has plenty of power from the Diesel motor , and is substantially less in purchase price then most of its competitors.

Will still handle the majority of offroad stuff you would probably ever throw at it.

If more cash in the Budget , the other options would probably be , Nissan Pathfinder, Pajero , or new Prado.
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Reply By: RosscoH - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:06

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:06
If buying a Geist I would be more worried about the van falling apart on our good Australian Roads, went to the Australian launch, theres no way I would buy one after seeing how they are put together.
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:15

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:15
Are they that bad Rossco? I was thinking about trading the heavy Gin Palace in on a lighter Gin Palace which being of Teutonic manufacture I assumed, maybe incorrectly, that they would be very organised and a quality product. The roads in Europe are not all without their blemishes after all.... Heil geist Oh and Denyer seems to 'endorse' them.....
I'll have to do further research...
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Follow Up By: Member - Gerard E (NSW) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:45

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:45
I am not conviced that the Geist caravan is NOT going to hold up against our roads. It is not an off-road van but can be taken on dirt roads.
Their layouts are smart (we believe anayway) and I personally know of someone who has got one and so far has travelled 15,000Km without issues.

Yes, I believe the early ones had issues but that has been promptly rectified to bring them more in line with Aussie conditions.

Buy yourself the Caravan & Motorhome magazine # 95 with the free DVD with it. That has got a couple of them rating pretty good.

The weight is what we are interested in. Light materials used in modern vans can be very strong.

Nevertheless, we appreciate your reply.
Thanks
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Reply By: Steve63 - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:12

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:12
Tha is a very open question so reply is very general. More a way of looking at it as opposed to recommendations. Only you know what you will get up too. As Wayne said, selection will depend more on personal preference. Check the numbers to make sure you are well (not just) inside the limits then pick the one you want/like to drive the most. You will use a fair amount of fuel towing, how much really depends on the application of the right foot. Though I must admit the newer common rail diesels are usually very economical. On a trip like that you are more likely to be driving without the van anyway as you are likely to stay places for several days (I know we do when we have the time). If it is a bugga to drive you will be regretting it every km and there are lots of them. Good example of the problems, we have a LC Troopy tray and the seatbelt position for the driver is a pain in the rear if you are short ie ~5 foot. Not an obvious problem and the only way to find out is for all who are to drive it to get in and have a go. Don't assume it will be you driving. If you fall somewhere and break a limb you won't be doing the driving. The best advice is to get in a few and take them for a drive. Don't assume you will get used to any niggly problems. The whole point it to pick the one that suits you and your partner.

Lots of people on long trips set up a base and do day or overnighters from there base. In that case the vehicle needs to be able to carry any gear you want water etc. Don't underestimate what you will get up to as your confidence increases. Get your vehicle and do one of the 4wd courses. Any number of great places are at the end of 5 km of narrow track, not really 4wd most of the time, but you will not know that until you reach the end of it. You may want to go for a drive along any number of beaches that can be driven on. They are often easy to drive on but have 20 m of soft sand at the exit or entrance. Even the road to Cape Leveque (?sp) can be soft and sandy at the northeren end and it is a proper formed dirt road most of the way! The other point is that any dirt (or sealed for that matter) road up north can have creek crossings, it just needs to rain. The wet just means it rains more.

Keep in mind spare parts. Nissan, Toyota, Holdern and Ford have extensive spare part networks. I got a clutch master cylinder for the old Jack in Bamaga in less than 48 hours and it was shipped from Brisbane. If I had the Troopy then they had the things in Bamaga.

Hmm. That was a long winded way of saying get a vehicle that has the correct specs, that suits your needs (plus a bit) and you and your partner are comfortable driving. All the larger 4wd's are capable vehicles in the hands of a skilled driver. Do a 4wd driving course with you and your partner. They don't only teach 4wd skills but usually go into vehicle loading, situation avoidence etc.

Steve
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Follow Up By: flappa - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:44

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:44
Quote: Keep in mind spare parts. Nissan, Toyota, Holdern and Ford have extensive spare part networks. I got a clutch master cylinder for the old Jack in Bamaga in less than 48 hours and it was shipped from Brisbane. If I had the Troopy then they had the things in Bamaga.

Not so sure thats always the case.

We busted a TD Cruiser at Kingash Bay in the NT , and they had to transport the vehicle to Katherine to look at it. Wouldn't have mattered what brand of vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Gerard E (NSW) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:58

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:58
Good advice there Steve. Thanks for that, especially re. attending the 4WD course which also covers loading van etc.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 16:10

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 16:10
You are correct Flappa, the people do need to be able to do the work and with the tendency towards more complex electronics the less likely it is that your average bush mechanic will be able to help. But if there are no parts available they won't be able to do much even if they have the skills.

Steve
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Reply By: Beadman- Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:32

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:32
Without a shadow of a doubt GU PATROL 4.2TD (defenitly NOT 3TD) I'm on 5th Fourby in 8 years everything else doesn't even deserve a mention.

That's only my opinion.

Good luck on your new ventures
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Follow Up By: Wayne-o - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 16:01

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 16:01
God
You must be GOD
Because the GOD'S have spoken, oh yeah got he datto's
Wayne-o
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Reply By: Crackles - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:59

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:59
What is your budget Gerard? Buying new or 2nd hand? Carrying a boat/Bikes? Ute or station wagon? Recomending brands & types of vehicles is fairly pointless if you can't afford them. An F250 V8 diesel twin cab would be ideal for towing a van around Oz, you'd barely even know it was there & without doubt has the greatest towing capability with heaps of power in reserve but without $80K no point even looking at them.
Cheers Carig.......
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Follow Up By: Member - Gerard E (NSW) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 16:59

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 16:59
It would be around the 60K for towing vehicle.
We do like the Prado especially with the new 3ltr diesel. Maybe the GXL might be the way to go. We just want to purchase vehicle first, learn to use it and run it in and then at a later date purchase caravan.

Thanks all for replies. Much appreciated.
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 17:28

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 17:28
The Prado would be an excellent choice in the price range & although the new diesel hasn't been out all that long I have towed with the Hilux (similar motor) & it does perform well. Prado's are very quiet, handle well & generally are very comfortable on long trips. The ever reliable Nissan Patrol 4.2 turbo is another good option although a little dated. If you're not in a hurry to buy, Toyota are bringing out an all new 4 door V8 turbo Cruiser in April similar to a troopy but with a low roof. Will be interesting to see the final specs (& price) but with a V8 diesel it will have to be a great tow vehicle. The Pajero would be another vehicle worth a look at particually if you don't need to do any serious offroad work, again a very quiet & comfortable vehicle.
Cheers Craig..............
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Reply By: Wayne-o - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 16:13

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 16:13
Lets just keep in mind Gerard didn't ask our advice on his caravan choice, only on some ideas about vehicle choice from experienced people!
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Reply By: Member - Gerard (NSW) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 19:18

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 19:18
How do you think the Hyundai Santa Fe 2.2 Ltr CRDi diesel would go with towing this van.

It's towing capacity is 2000Kg.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Wayne-o - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 20:20

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 20:20
It will tow it OK, but you need to consider how hard that lil engine has to work to pull it! it will, but it is false economy, i dont know the car that well, but from experience, i bet the right boot will be on the floor to hold 100, and especially if there is a head wind. the lil donk will be putting out maximum, continuously, and thats not good for engines!!!! and i bet it will return fuel figures higher than an eFFy
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Follow Up By: Unique Username - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 22:20

Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 22:20
The Santa Fe will be fine...

I've got a CRDi one and tow my outback swan with it (about 1350 GTM & 145 on the ball).

Perth-Denmark on cruise control @ 100 Km/h - 13.0 l/100 km
Denmark-Perth on cruise control @ 110 Km/h - 13.3 l/100 km

Still plenty of power for overtaking as well at that. And i'm looking at a geist as well (which is how i found this post!)

Jon
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Reply By: 666toy - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 20:37

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 20:37
Only 2 vehicles need a mention Landcruser or Patrol 4.2 you cant go wrong if you want a reliable vehicle
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Reply By: troopyman - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 21:36

Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 21:36
The whole idea of geist is that they are light and can be towed with a commodore or falcon if you want . Any large 4wd will do .
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 00:12

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 00:12
Don't overlook the Pajero 3.2 Diesel

Also consider the utes - All the utes are now available with good diesels - Rodeo has just been updated with a new diesel engine, now has 3000kg towing, and theres the Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota, and Mazda, all with new engines recently.

Perhaps have a look at the outgoing Nissan 3.0 dual cab - you could snap up one of the last ones for $32000 approx if you are quick and haggle a bit. No left footrest, but that's about all that's wrong with them!

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Reply By: DIO - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 00:56

Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 00:56
GEIST - very light constructed

Are NOT fitted with electrc brakes (over-ride only)

Check ou the tandem unit on the Caravan & Motorhome DVD. The wheels are set centrally and the thing bucks and pitches like a Mini on the 'old Hume Highway' - probably not very stable and comfortable to tow.

GEIST insist that there is no need for a WDH as the vehicle is not designed for one (???)

Cheap to purchase compared with other makes probably because the manufacturers have compromised on what - build quality and strength?

Despite winning Caravan of the Year (Caravan & Motorhome 2006) there are better choices out there.

Your money - your choice.
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