Which towing vehicle for Geist Caravan
Submitted: Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 14:00
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Member - Gerard E (NSW)
We are slowly preparing for several years of travel around Oz in about 12 months from now and hope to find some valuable answers here from people in the know:
Just a couple of points to get my question on track:
1. We would like to later on purchase one of the lighter German caravans like the Geist with a ATM of about 1800Kg and a towball weight of 100Kg. (No WDH needed as the Geist (Winterhoff)) coupling supposedly takes care of this.
2. Without starting WWIII we prefer diesel.
3. We will be mostly on bitumen with the odd bit of dirt track but no real 4WD stuff.
4. Don't want to have to upgrade anything on towing vehicle i.e buy and drive.
Going with that which towing vehicle would you recommend based on your experience in relation to towing capability,
reserves in towing weight or whatelse there maybe..
Appreciating all constructive comments and I realise this is a very open question.
Gerard
Reply By: Wayne-o - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 14:19
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 14:19
make and model will not matter, simply as long as the towing capability is more than van weight, it is deisel, and has a towball, and a big enough tank for you driving range needs.
A 4wd will be better only because of the long range tanks, extra power, and space, but any 4wd on the market will be able to tow that van, it wheter you want long range tanks, ie prado has 180l capacity, more power, ie landcruiser or patrol turbo diesel, and space interior wise for cargo and comfort.
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Reply By: flappa - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 14:22
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 14:22
Hyundai Terracan CRDi, just specify the Towing Pack prior to delivery.
Will tow a van that weight easily has plenty of power from the Diesel motor , and is substantially less in purchase price then most of its competitors.
Will still handle the majority of offroad stuff you would probably ever throw at it.
If more cash in the Budget , the other options would probably be , Nissan Pathfinder, Pajero , or new Prado.
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Reply By: Steve63 - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:12
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:12
Tha is a very open question so reply is very general. More a way of looking at it as opposed to recommendations. Only you know what you will get up too. As Wayne said, selection will depend more on personal preference.
Check the numbers to make sure you are
well (not just) inside the limits then pick the one you want/like to drive the most. You will use a fair amount of fuel towing, how much really depends on the application of the right foot. Though I must admit the newer common rail diesels are usually very economical. On a trip like that you are more likely to be driving without the van anyway as you are likely to stay
places for several days (I know we do when we have the time). If it is a bugga to drive you will be regretting it every km and there are lots of them. Good example of the problems, we have a LC Troopy tray and the seatbelt position for the driver is a pain in the rear if you are short ie ~5 foot. Not an obvious problem and the only way to find out is for all who are to drive it to get in and have a go. Don't assume it will be you driving. If you fall somewhere and break a limb you won't be doing the driving. The best advice is to get in a few and take them for a drive. Don't assume you will get used to any niggly problems. The whole point it to pick the one that suits you and your partner.
Lots of people on long trips set up a base and do day or overnighters from there base. In that case the vehicle needs to be able to carry any gear you want water etc. Don't underestimate what you will get up to as your confidence increases. Get your vehicle and do one of the 4wd courses. Any number of great
places are at the end of 5 km of narrow track, not really 4wd most of the time, but you will not know that until you reach the end of it. You may want to go for a drive along any number of beaches that can be driven on. They are often easy to drive on but have 20 m of soft sand at the exit or entrance. Even the road to
Cape Leveque (?sp) can be soft and sandy at the northeren end and it is a proper formed dirt road most of the way! The other point is that any dirt (or sealed for that matter) road up north can have creek crossings, it just needs to rain. The wet just means it rains more.
Keep in mind spare parts. Nissan, Toyota, Holdern and Ford have extensive spare part networks. I got a clutch master cylinder for the old Jack in
Bamaga in less than 48 hours and it was shipped from
Brisbane. If I had the Troopy then they had the things in
Bamaga.
Hmm. That was a long winded way of saying get a vehicle that has the correct specs, that suits your needs (plus a bit) and you and your partner are comfortable driving. All the larger 4wd's are capable vehicles in the hands of a skilled driver. Do a 4wd driving course with you and your partner. They don't only teach 4wd skills but usually go into vehicle loading, situation avoidence etc.
Steve
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Follow Up By: flappa - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:44
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:44
Quote: Keep in mind spare parts. Nissan, Toyota, Holdern and Ford have extensive spare part networks. I got a clutch master cylinder for the old Jack in
Bamaga in less than 48 hours and it was shipped from
Brisbane. If I had the Troopy then they had the things in
Bamaga.
Not so sure thats always the case.
We busted a TD Cruiser at Kingash Bay in the NT , and they had to transport the vehicle to
Katherine to look at it. Wouldn't have mattered what brand of vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Member - Gerard E (NSW) - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:58
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 15:58
Good advice there Steve. Thanks for that, especially re. attending the 4WD course which also covers loading van etc.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Steve63 - Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 16:10
Friday, Jan 05, 2007 at 16:10
You are correct Flappa, the people do need to be able to do the work and with the tendency towards more complex electronics the less likely it is that your average bush mechanic will be able to help. But if there are no parts available they won't be able to do much even if they have the skills.
Steve
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Reply By: Gerhardp1 - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 00:12
Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 00:12
Don't overlook the Pajero 3.2 Diesel
Also consider the utes - All the utes are now available with good diesels - Rodeo has just been updated with a new diesel engine, now has 3000kg towing, and theres the Mitsubishi, Nissan, Toyota, and Mazda, all with new engines recently.
Perhaps have a look at the outgoing Nissan 3.0 dual cab - you could snap up one of the last ones for $32000 approx if you are quick and haggle a bit. No left footrest, but that's about all that's wrong with them!
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Reply By: DIO - Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 00:56
Saturday, Jan 06, 2007 at 00:56
GEIST - very light constructed
Are NOT fitted with electrc brakes (over-ride only)
Check ou the tandem unit on the Caravan & Motorhome DVD. The wheels are set centrally and the thing bucks and pitches like a Mini on the 'old Hume Highway' - probably not very stable and comfortable to tow.
GEIST insist that there is no need for a WDH as the vehicle is not designed for one (???)
Cheap to purchase compared with other makes probably because the manufacturers have compromised on what - build quality and strength?
Despite winning Caravan of the Year (Caravan & Motorhome 2006) there are better choices out there.
Your money - your choice.
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