Fitting of boost pressure gauge?

Submitted: Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 08:48
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Have a '98 100 series, 1hz and aftermarket turbo. Already have EGT gauge fitted, was wondering where the correct place to plumb boost pressure gauge into? All input on this matter would be greatly appreciated! Regards Kirsten (NSW)
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Reply By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:11

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 10:11
Hi Kirsten,

The easiest place would be into the wastegate hose. There should be a short length of hose between the turbo air outlet and the wastegate actuator (a pressed steel 'can' about 40mm diameter, with a rod sticking out one end connected to the wastegate valve on the exhaust turbine housing). This hose will likely be 1/4" ID.

Buy a tee-piece, cut the is hose, insert the tee and connect your gauge to the tee (using a reducer if your gauge tube is smaller diameter).

Alternatively, especially if you have an intercooler, you could drill and tap a hole into the inlet manifold (or use an existing theaded port if there is one). If an intercooler is fitted, this point will let you see the actual inlet pressure rather than the turbo outlet pressure. Without an intercooler, there'll be little difference.

Ian
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Follow Up By: keepingitreal - Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 22:46

Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 22:46
G'day Ian , thanks for the advice. Itis intercooled. Do you think that there would be much difference in pressure between the wastegate hose and the inlet manifold?Regards Kirsten (NSW)
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 23:49

Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 23:49
Ian, I thought about that mounting point for mine when I fitted it up but considered the information was then tainted by the ambient temperature and it would be far more variable. I asked that question at the time but no one seemed to advocate fitting post intercooler. Interesting you do suggest it. I tend to think a charge air temperature gauge could be of interest as much as a charge air pressure.

Turbo boost pressure + the effect of ambient temperature, airflow speed, water flow on I/C = Confused information of after the I/C charge pressure
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Follow Up By: Ian from Thermoguard Instruments - Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 09:14

Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 09:14
Hi Kirsten,
There will be some difference between before and after the intercooler, especially at high rpm. How much will vary for every make and model. The intercooler represents a restriction to air flow and the pressure drop across a restriction increases with the square of flow rate. That means, in approximate terms, the pressure drop across an intercooler could be 4 times as much at 4000 rpm than at 2000 rpm. But it might still be quite small, depending on the design of the IC.

A properly-sized IC would probably drop less than 10% of the turbo outlet pressure, i.e. at least 9 psi at the manifold at high rpm if the turbo outlet is 10 psi. If you have a convenient manifold tapping point, why not try both sensing points? On the same day and conditions, swap the boost gauge tube between the two points (& block the unused one, of course) and see what difference you see - we'd all be interested to know.

John,
I don't know about 'tainted'? You are still measuring a pressure post-IC and it is the pressure that is actually feeding your cylinders.

But you are right about what this pressure actually means. If you've read my "intercoolers" article, you'll see how much effect the charge air temperature can have on the MASS of air available to the cylinders.

In practice, a boost gauge doesn't tell you very much of use, a lot of the time. Boost pressure varies rapidly between zero and maximum often while driving and rarely remains steady for very long. A boost gauge generally does two things - it tells you whether your maximum boost level is being controlled at full load and how quickly full boost is being developed.

Charge air temperature would be interesting to see, especially if you were comparing different intercoolers, for example. But on a particular vehicle, seeing the charge air temp isn't going to be of a great deal of use. Unlike EGT, you can't do anything about it - unless you're planning on using a water spray or similar.
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