towing tinnie

Submitted: Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 14:11
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Just thinking, when away with the tinnie on the roof we have the problem of getting the boat to water. alright its on the roof so you say just take it off. BUT when you come back in from a day out fishing and knowing your going out for the next few days you don't want to pack it all up again. SO option 1 is get folding trailer, or 2 could one make attachments for wheels and tow hitch and have the hole lot reg. for on road use.
When it comes down to it what is a trailer buy definition.
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 14:56

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 14:56
I had a similar dilemma, slush.

Initially I had no trailer, just clamp on jockey wheels, which were fine for moving 100m or so, but not more. This was OK at a lot of places, but sometimes there is no camping close to the water. If it is not easy to use the boat, you don't use it as much.

I considered making up some sort of tow hitch for the front of the boat to use with the jockey wheels 9but did not plan on registering it), but though it would be too unstable.

Ended up getting an Almac fold up trailer. There are many available, but the Almac is Aluminium and is by far the lightest I have found. I carry it on the draw bar of my CT with the wheels in a carry basket (with fuel tank, seats, and other 'uglies') under the boat. All works great so far. The trailer has no suspension to keep weight down so it is limited to about 80KPH, but I never get anywhere near that anyway. Longest tow using the trailer so far has been about 2 KM.

I don't know that you could get what you are talking about registered. In the least, you would need two road wheels, an axle, some boat supports to keep the boat stable and a method of tying the boat down to it at the rear. At the front you would need a draw bar, hitch and a method of very securly connecting to the boat (this is probably the biggest challenge). You would also need a light board and cables. Funnily enough, that is exactly what my fold up trailer is, with probably about 6 KG of aluminium connecting it all together and a simple winch up front to make launcing and retreiving easier.

I managed to pick up my trailer (in new condition), second hand for half the new price. Don't think there is a lot of opportunity for that, but you never know.
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Follow Up By: slush - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 15:07

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 15:07
this is what im saying, i know of your trailer and they are great but when it comes down to it its still just joined by a centre bar and a few places for the wheels ect to slide in. So why cant the tinnie be used to bolt these things onto? with a few reinforced plates welded in place i cant see a problem.
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 15:21

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 15:21
I understand your point, but not sure that the registration people would.

Also, what you are after has largely already been invented - the fold up trailer.

I certainly wouldn't want to permanently weld or bolt anything to the outside of my tinne that might effect the water flow ofer the hull.

No harm in designing something though and running it past the authorities for comment before you invest money in it. If you are successful you will have the start of a potentially great business.
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Follow Up By: Grungle - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 17:42

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 17:42
Hi Norm,

Would you have a photo of your trailer mounted on your drawbar? I am very interested to see how you've done yours.

Regards
David
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 18:07

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 18:07
Don't have one at the moment, but I'll see what I can do.
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 18:45

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 18:45
Grungle, I've uploaded 3 pics to my profile. Click on the profile link below, then click on the pics to enlarge. Difficult to photograp due to all the other stuff on the draw bar as well. This is one of the pics:
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The trailer is made from 50mmx50mm ali. So it all stacks vertically into 50 mm of space (not counting overhang from mud guards). I think you can get them with removable mud guards, but it's not a problem for me.

I just have 2 pairs of steel posts made from 50mm x 4mm (I think)spaced 50 mm apart. The trailer slots down in the 50mm gap. A pin goes between the posts to hold them tight against the trailer. I then strap it all down for extra security. The winch post goes behind and is strapped on. The light board slips in behind and is strapped on as well (not on in the pic as I disn't take it on the last trip).

Everything is on the draw bar in this space except the wheels and stub axles. I put them on the roof in a basket under the boat. I think it adds about 26 KG to the draw bar. I just leave one or two gerries empty (there are 4 on the bar) when I carry the trailer as I am close to the ball weight limit of the Hilux.

Hope this helps.

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Follow Up By: Grungle - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 19:40

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 19:40
Cheers Norm,

Very nice and strong mounting setup there. I am very impressed with how you have laid things out. Given me a few ideas as well.

Many thanks
David
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Follow Up By: mattie - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 21:05

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 21:05
hi
there used to be such a trailer called an AQUA TRAIL it had a tow ball hitch that bolted onto the bow/keel part of your tinny and a wheel that fitted onto each corner made from stainless steel it had a little coil spring for suspension on each wheel and yes it was registerable but don't get your hopes up as they are not made any more and the person that has the patent i think went broke and they were manufactured over seas for a while and they stopped making them as well or something along those lines as i have been trying to track one down for some time and this was the story i got from a marine shop that used to sell them. So if u could find someone with one u made beable to copy it it would be well worth it if u could track one down i saw one at Ceduna SA about 5yrs ago but have not seen another since

MATTIE
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn D (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 17:21

Tuesday, Jan 09, 2007 at 17:21
Hows it going Norm ,

I have also seen the one that MATTIE is talking about ,

I was camped at Sesia up Cape York 2 yrs ago and the guy next to us had one ,he had just got it and was from Victoria , he said it was limited to < 80km/h .

Took up heaps less room than the folding type , he had his boat on top of his CT , just had brackets for mounting the wheels on the rear of the boat out of the way of water flow .

Even if you cant get this exact one you could find out from the RTA what the go is .

Glenn.
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 15:21

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 15:21
Slush ,

I use wheels that clamp on to the gunnel and the edge at the bottom of the side of the boat . I have a tow hitch that slips over the front handle on the top of the bow and over the shackle hole at the front . An arm comes out with a small universal joint and this fits onto my Treg coupling .

It is not registerable , but I only use it for short distances at 10 or 15 kph .

The same brilliant guy that made this for me , also made me clamps for the racks on my Trak Shak so that the boat is held down by its gunnels , not ropes or straps .

Willie .
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Follow Up By: slush - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 15:32

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 15:32
willie, i also have the same as you but im about it being road registered.
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Follow Up By: Blaze - Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 03:06

Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 03:06
I also made up some brackets to hold the boat down by the gunnels, get some starnge looks at times when people cant see ropes or anything holding the boat down LOL Dont understand why anyone would trust ropes or webbing that can wear through to hold a boat on.
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Reply By: Grungle - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 17:35

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 17:35
Hi Slush,

There a lot of things required to make a trailer registerable. For example in Qld you need mud guards on the wheels, there are length limitations on the following: total, front to axle, winch post to axle, axle to rear, width, couplings, lights, agregate mass, tare mass, etc. etc.

I just went through the process of researching boat trailers and wheels (2 weeks ago actually). Started off by buying the Tinnie Mover wheels. Ok for moving around firm surfaces but a nightmare on sand and uneven ground so I took them back. I then thought about having an engineering firm make up a basic trailer that we could stow on the camper but I came across the problem of making it registerable. This pushes the cost way up due to the requirments need to keep it legal so in the end it was easier to buy one from a reputable company that specialised in fold up trailers.

There are quite a few varieties and everything is covered from Aluminium to Gal; single to triple fold; suspension and non suspension modles and then some. I ended up going for one of the cheaper registerable fold up trailer I could fine that was easy to stow and tow. This was the Flip-n-Easy. If you are interested, the following models are what is available in Australia (that I know of) and their price.

In no particular order (tare weights with wheels attached - pricing as of 2 weeks ago from various dealers):

Real Eazy 57kg $1550.00
Little Bulldog 67kg $1990.00
Flip-n-Easy 60kg $1099.00
Dunbier 56kg $1150.00
Felk ~40kg $1025.00
Almac ~55kg $1785.00

As you can see there is big difference in prices.

If you are handy with a welder, you could make one but I would get a copy of the regs from Dept of transport to see what you would have to include.

The only problem I have now is storing the outboard somewhere that is easy to access but strong and protected from dust and rock damage but thats another story.

Regards
David

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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 17:59

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 17:59
David, I did similar research and had selected the Almac. Then was lucky enough to find a second hand one that cost me about $ 800. Must admit, I hadn't heard of the Felk though.

Only point of difference with your list is that the Almac weighs either 38 or 40 KG, (depending whether 2 fold or 3 fold (3 fold packs smaller, but is 2KG heavier). I have the 3 fold. Without the wheels it weighs under 30 KG, which is what I put on the draw bar. They may well have a 55 KG model, but I have not seen it.

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Follow Up By: Grungle - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 18:29

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 18:29
Hi Norm,

You were lucky to have picked one up secondhand. I couldn't find anything secondhand on the mrket except for a home made jobby for around $700 (looked like crap).

With regards to the weight, I received an email from Almac listing prices and stats so I was quoting from that. Could be a typo (say 45kg instead of 55kg) but it was for a fully assembled trailer (Tare).

I know the Flip-n-Easy I have is 24kg without the wheels and the wheels are 17kg each.

Regards
David
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 18:49

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 18:49
Must have been an error. Not smart when they are trying to sell something. This is the Almac site that has all the info:
www.almactrailers.com

Without the wheels the Almac is 24 or 26 KG (depending on model).

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Reply By: Member - Dave .. B (SA) - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 21:10

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 21:10
Hi Slush , i know what you mean about problem with getting boat to water , when i was away last year it was a real pain in the butt...to the point where in the end i just didnt bother....i too looked at one of them fold up jobbies , but in the end took up my engineer sons offer to make one for me , for me reg isnt a prob cause i have a small homemade regoed boat trailer anyway , so for the amount of times i'll use the foldup and the minimal distances i'll travel with it i will simply use the rego off my homemade boat trailer ........cheers .......Dave
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Follow Up By: slush - Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 21:42

Sunday, Jan 07, 2007 at 21:42
i think i might go down that track as well.
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Follow Up By: Grungle - Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 08:36

Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 08:36
Hi Dave,

Would you be able to post some photos of the trailer that your son made? I am interested to see what it looks like. Also where do you mount it?

Regards
David
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Reply By: 4wdNewbie - Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 01:04

Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 01:04
Ok, so I just had a brainwave... May be too much work to warrant doing this. But consider none the less.

Say you got a rectangular piece of metal. Something strong enough to hold the weight of the tinny. Somehow attached it to your roof so that it slid (consider how _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx slide out, something similar). Then had extensions that let it slide from the roof diagonaly towards the ground (So maybe a material with some flex that is still strong). Then BANG. Boat is on the ground. Detach it from the rectangle, slide the rectangle back up and secure it up on the roof. Go fishing...

Kinda like making a boat ramp outta ya roof. :P

1. Could it work?
2. Has it already been done? (Like my last brainwave...)

Cheers Anand. and hope it helped.
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Reply By: Grandpa joe - Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 12:13

Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 12:13
Would like to point out that the Real Easy trailer has spring suspension to stop the boat from suffering weld fractures when going over pot holes, Most of these other trailers do not have suspension and cannot tow at any real usefull speed because of this . Would recommend the real easy brand as you can also go a lot further with your tinnie already set up, tackle, esky, beer and all !!!!! Very compact for a fold up with suspension. My father has one of these and I am in the process of selling my home made jobbies so I can get one myself.
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 14:37

Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 14:37
Joe, Real Ezy makes two models, one with suspension and one without. The suspension model weighs 67 KG, which is much too heavy for my needs in carrying on the draw bar of CT. The non suspension model weighs 57 KG, which is much better, but still almost 20KG more than the Almac.

Weight was my number one issue (even more than price, though I was very lucky in picking up an excellent second hand one for a good price). Second priority was space I could pack it into when folded.

Towing over long distances is not an issue for me. I have another conventional boat trailer at home for use when not travelling. Since I carry the boat on top of the 4B (not the CT), I always have the option of launching direct from the vehicle, but haven't done this since I got the trailer.

For someone less concerned about weight though, the Real Ezy is a very well made unit. Different strokes I guess for different needs.
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Follow Up By: Grandpa joe - Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 18:15

Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 18:15
Sounds like you would be better suited to a hand dolly homemade or the wind on wheels . I have the wind on wheels for when I only plan to do a little bit of fishing and more touring that way the camper trailer has less weight. This is great for being close to the water, But as most top fishing locations end up being the water is always too far from the base camp, where a good registered fold up is a damned heavy nuisance but a necessity.
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Reply By: Hopper51 - Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 13:37

Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 13:37
Hi Slush
I too have been down the path you describe. I originally bought the cheap little wheels that clamp on at the rear of the tinnie and made a coupling to attach the boat to the towbar on the Tojo. After getting sick of repeatedly fixing the wheels (if fact the actual wheels were the only original bit on the attachment by the time I finished) I decided to upgrade to a proper folding trailer. I found the Almac aluminium trailer to be ideal but a bit on the pricey side for what it is and by chance one day on eBay I came across a very similar unit from Ballarat called a Bocam (call Rob at Bocam on 0353358673) folding trailer at a much better price. The quality of engineering turned out to be outstanding and I would say a little more robust than the Almac trailer. I have made a bracket to mount the axle assembly across the Ä frame of the caravan and the rest of the trailer fits inside the tinnie - which sits on a Custom Boat Loader on top of the Tojo - for travelling.
regards
Hopper51
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 14:24

Monday, Jan 08, 2007 at 14:24
Found a bit on the Bocam here, where the builders had one listed on eBay:
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Only folds in two to give a length of 2.1m, which is a bit long to go across a CT. Maximum for most would be 1.8m. The Almac 2 fold has 1.5m as the longest part which makes it very easy to carry.

Otherwise looks pretty good. Seems to have no stabaliser bars from the axle across the center bar to create strength through triangles. But I'm sure whatever method they use must be OK and strong enough for the job.

This is another I had not heard of. With no web sites, these companies are pretty hard to find.
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