First 4wd

Submitted: Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 14:06
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Hi, im looking for some advice for a first 4wd.I will mainly be using it for commuting but would also like to be able to drive over to Fraser Island and Moreton island for a bit of fishing/camping.I need a 4by that is capable of getting up to Lake Mackenzie on the inland tracks of fraser and not just the beach.
I would prefer new for reliability but i am only willing to pay up to low 30s so this really just leaves me with vehicles like the Xtrail new.
Secondhand im thinking low k 2004 and up dual cab courier/hilux/rodeo?
2.5l is the biggest i want to go for petrol (xtrail)otherwise i want diesel.
WHat do you guys think will do the job?

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Reply By: zad - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 14:13

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 14:13
How about a Grand Vitara. While the new ones have gone the way of the xtrail in terms of fully independant suspension, they atleast have a semi-ladder chassis and very importantly, low range. I think they're a 2.7l V6 though, so not much over your 2.5l limit. If you'd consider going 2nd hand, then I'd much prefer the previous model Grand Vitara due to it's separate chassis and rigid rear axle - making for relatively easy modifications if you're wanting to lift it, etc (and having a 2.5l V6). Neither come with computer controlled traction technology or what you may call it but that would be no great deal to me anyway.
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Follow Up By: zad - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 14:14

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 14:14
If you're considering Hilux/Courier/Rodeo, Id personally chose one of them - prolly Hilux - as they've got much more clearance and wheel travel for off road. Not as good manners on road though.
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Reply By: madfisher - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 14:41

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 14:41
Jason hi,
I think a xtrail is only going to get you into trouble. They are a very light duty 4wd but great as a dirt rd vehicle. Most 4wds are very reliable past 200,000ks provided they are serviced and not abused, Personally if I was was offered an xtrail with 40000ks and a cruiser with 200,000 for a trip arround aust. I would take the cruiser and I am sure it is reliable. My 4runner with over 200.000 ks is still very reliable
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: cuffs - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 14:47

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 14:47
Those with no knowlege always give an opinion first, want to know about X-Trails check www.australianxtrail.com/
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Follow Up By: madfisher - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 20:27

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 20:27
If you check some threads on this forum you will find that if driven in sand the transmission overheats and reverts back to 2wd. We also run 2 xtrails at work, Great to drive on good roads, or even medium tracks, but they were not designed for extended sand work. Forseter would be better
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: zad - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 14:57

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 14:57
No low range = not as versatile off road. Simple.
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Follow Up By: porl - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 15:14

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 15:14
I think no low range in this thread means getting bogged between the bitumen and the ferry before you even get to the Island ...

If you want to go to Fraser Island often, look for low range and clearance. That's my 20c.
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Reply By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 15:17

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 15:17
Low 30s, Pajero Exceed Capable, comfortable, 2.8 diesel bullet proof, economical, lot of vechicle for the money.

Cheers Axle.
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 16:11

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 16:11
Hi Jason,

would a Forester do you? as they would be good in the city and still capable of the tasks you clasify as off road. Manuals do have low range in this car.

Otherwise maybe a fairly new Terracan, one of the blokes I know off this website has a diesel one and he uses it to tow a trailer on Fraser and Rainbow beach regularly. It has also seen a few dirt tracks but it will never match a cruiser or Patrol in the real ruff stuff.

Cheers, Trevor.
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Reply By: Mikee5 (QLD) - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 19:01

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 19:01
Have a look at the Mitsubishi Challenger. A surprising package! Low range, ladder chassis 3 litre V6. Based supposedly on the older Pajero. My dad owns one at it takes him to places like Straddie, the Cherry Venture and Fraser no worries at all. I have driven it and while it is not a Landcruiser it is still quite capable.

Mike.
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Reply By: chisel - Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 22:31

Friday, Jan 12, 2007 at 22:31
I've been to Fraser about 10 times, been all over it up and down and never once used low range. Never been bogged. Same for Moreton, although once got slightly bogged there (not that low range would have helped). I have a 2001 pathfinder.

I have friends who've taken all sorts of softroaders on Moreton and Fraser ... RAVs, Vitaras, Foresters, Jimny's (ok, that's not really a softroader). All went well. An x-trail would be perfectly fine for fraser/moreton. Obviously your chances of getting bogged are a bit higher than if you own a big, serious 4wd, but the chances are still pretty low. (Oh, and you probably want to steer clear of the ngkala rocks bypass - it can get rough and is (sometimes) no place for a softroader).
Personally I'd probably go with a RAV4 over an x-trail but they are more expensive.
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Follow Up By: jasonbrisbane - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 00:12

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 00:12
I do like the grand vitara.Would this have enough clearance for the inland tracks?
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Follow Up By: chisel - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 23:02

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 23:02
A friend has a 2004 grand vitara. It goes fine on the inland tracks. He recently got it lifted a couple of inches but I don't really know why - I've never seen it stuck although occasionally it can't make it up some of the steeper beach exits (either needs more neddies and a longer run-up or he just uses a different exit). He also mentioned that it bottomed out a bit now and then - but I don't see the big deal with that (he was carrying 3 or 4 people on fraser at the time).

The newer vitara looks good and has low range but apparently the engine needs to be revved fairly hard to get the most out of it. It would be fine on Fraser - at least as capable as an x-trail or rav. Pity they don't sell a diesel version in Australia.
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Reply By: jasonbrisbane - Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 00:12

Saturday, Jan 13, 2007 at 00:12
ps:thanks for all the helpfull answers to!
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