Should you let a government dept modify a 4x4
Submitted: Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 16:29
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GoneTroppo Member (FNQ)
This is what can happen when you do............
www.aad.gov.au/default.asp?casid=4560
............of course the buggers then promptly bogged it.
www.aad.gov.au/default.asp?casid=28058
My question is, what other modifications should have been made?
Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 16:52
Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 16:52
Perhaps they should have talked to these type of people?
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There are some serious snow machines in Iceland.
Seems 38" minimum OD for tyres, some have 44".
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Follow Up By: Member - Scott M (NSW) - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 18:03
Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 18:03
44" tyres - probably chewing up all that snow and ruining for other snow users - ought to be banned !
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Reply By: Exploder - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 17:55
Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 17:55
Perhaps a set of Snow Chains a 12,000Lb Winch + ground anchor would have made their recovery a little easer and quicker. LOL
Hay Nothing wrong with the long handled shove good for a bit of the old exercise but I am just saying you know in those conditions Id rather be out in 15 than digging for 2hrs.
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Reply By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 21:07
Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 21:07
Devils advocate......
If the vehicles are being used on Australian territory (ie crown land) then shouldn't they comply with the NCOP rules? (it is after all a road registerable vehicle, designed to comply with all ADR's). More to the point, it is specifically NOT being used on "private" land, so the state laws should apply, failing that (in this situation)then the federal laws would apply = compliance with ALL ADR's and industry codes of practice, regardless.
Possibility of throwing this back in their faces???????
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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 07:55
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 07:55
been wondering this myself.
I guess it's a case of do as I say not as I do.
You do kind of wonder what they'll do with it when it reaches it's end of service.
will it show up at Fowles?
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Follow Up By: Member - Karl - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 09:47
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 09:47
Not necessarily so, I can't recall the legislation off the top of my head but it would be the same as the legislation that covers all Defence Force vehicles. None of them are registered and a lot would not comply with any state road laws.
For example - Leopard Tanks and other armoured vehicles and some other our engineering vehicles etc.
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Follow Up By: robak (QLD) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 11:00
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 11:00
They're not exactly driving on a public road, are they.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 14:36
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 14:36
.....but they are driving on Crown land, and by definition if there is a track marked on it then that is considered a road, and all applicable legislation should apply.
IIRC Army vehicles are registered (6 numbers), whether thay actually have to pay registration or not. You generally do not see Leopard tanks driving down the highway, they are usually on the back of semi's.
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Follow Up By: djm67 - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:36
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 20:36
Gary,
the 6 numbers on the plate is their Defence ID number, not state or federal rego
and APC's & LAV's (not sure about the leopards) do actually venture on to the bitumen quite often.
The Defence Act covers their use on roads without rego, it also covers defence not having to pay tolls either, but everyone seems to have forgotten about that one.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 21:27
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 21:27
Fair call, but these F250 vehicles are not used in any military use...
My point is still that they are normal Commonwealth owned, civillian use derived vehicles, driving on Crown land.........
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Reply By: Member - eerfree(QLD) - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 22:34
Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 22:34
Gary
You are dead right --- but if they have to throw it anywhere -- can they please throw it to me!!!
eerfree
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 22:46
Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 22:46
I love the way they park it next to a 4x2 highlux to try and make it look better.... But yeah, if they can have one, why can't I (if I had the money). But oh nooo.
Oh what's all this about Bullbar's being fitted for "saftey"? I thought they were death traps?? Hey Scruby mate, you'd better get onto that one buddy!
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 01:07
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 01:07
With the eventual destination of the vehicle I think if you hit someone it would be because they are alread dead, and little more than a frozen popsicle sticking out of the ice.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 10:12
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 10:12
No, you're dead right Gary. I mean with those freeway sections in the middle of
Perth that have those yellow and black kangaroo warning signs, there is no need for bull bars in cities. That's what the signs are for, they warn you that they are around, bullbars just increase the risk of injuries to you and your passengers, because it's a falacy that they increase saftey....... Besides, you wouldn't want any of those rare and endagered kangaroos getting injured or killed!
I mean this F250 has to contend with all those pessky wild peguins and baby seals. Hell those things are in huge numbers over there (I've seen the videos). I reckon they'll probably take a .22 with them so they can cull a few while twoing and frowing from the airport. And any that get in the way will just be plowed down with the f250 and it's bull bar that has been fitted to add saftey to the passengers.
HAHAHA, what a load of BS. One rule for them, another for us. It's great isn't it.
But then again, when you think about it.... A frozen solid kangaroo would probably do a lot more damage than a live one, maybe they are justified after all!
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Reply By: PatrolBen - Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 23:43
Thursday, Jan 18, 2007 at 23:43
I wonder what the greenies feel about such a polluting, monstrosity driving around the pristine antartic scaring all those penguins with its intimidating bullbar. How do those seals feel now that they cant see past its bulk when flopping around icebergs and accidentally squashing some small bird. Its an absolute outrage they must all say.
Or are the clueless wankers still recycling thier sandles, or something.
Personally I going to go back to cooking my whale steaks on my woodchip barbecque!
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Follow Up By: GoneTroppo Member (FNQ) - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 08:01
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 08:01
Got to thinking.........given that everything down there is hy vis yellow or
orange, (so they can find it when someone parks it where they shouldn't)
why did they get a silver one?
Did some shinyb&m get conned by his friendly Ford dealer?
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Follow Up By: Baldrick - Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 08:14
Friday, Jan 19, 2007 at 08:14
When I was down there the station vehicles (Hiluxes) were white. Made them hard to find in a blizzard!
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