Automatic - why not?
Submitted: Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 12:16
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V8Diesel
Here's a question for you, why don't Toyota or Nissan offer an auto in their work utes?
It would seem a logical choice for a fleet vehicle, driven by different employees and much less susceptible to abuse by the yobbo element. The larger vehicles use plenty of autos but Cruiser / Patrols don't.
Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 12:27
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 12:27
Lack of confidence in their boxes?
Why didnt they offer it in the 4.2?? to force people to buy the grenade
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 14:24
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 14:24
I considered that but the Toyota auto is bulletproof. The diesel's manual box on the other hand is rubbish and regularly fail.
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Reply By: strzelecki - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 13:03
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 13:03
From my experience currently owning a cruiser auto and a man hilux,the manual lux is
miles ahead in steep rough going,just seem to have no control in the auto,so personally I would never buy a cruiser ute in auto.Must say the cruiser is
well ahead on normal roads.Real Aussie blokes would never buy an auto trayback would they??Ha Ha.
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 14:10
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 14:10
Haha, Toyota know their market....
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 14:36
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 14:36
But we Aussie bloke eagerly accept the ghey, underpowered slugs of diesel motors the Japs give us. Honestly, they really are poxy, but most of us simply don't know any better - it's a legacy from our Pommy 850cc sidevalve
heritage. You'll hear folks boasting of the mighty stump pulling torque of their Jap diesel whilst struggling to climb Greenmount
Hill flat out in 2nd gear and being overtaken by Barinas.
96kW......woohoo!
Take an F250 for a spin and you'll see what I mean (and they are considered a povery pack in the US).
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Follow Up By: strzelecki - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 14:56
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 14:56
Thats why the non turbo diesel cruiser and older hilux work utes are reliable I guess,they have do not have enough power to break any thing.And speeding tickets .......what are they??
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 19:40
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 19:40
Yeah, Strzelecki, we win on two counts; good fuel economy and no speeding tickets LOL
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 22:23
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 22:23
1HZ - it just reminds me that I drive a 4WD, not a sports car....
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 10:52
Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 10:52
Off-track, but you can have both. My 75 series with a 6.5 Chev in it was a HUGE improvement. There's no disadvantages so they should come like that standard.
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Reply By: Exploder - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 14:25
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 14:25
Because they have done their research and know that the vast majority of Australian’s who buy there’s cars are idiots and will still pay a premium price for a non-premium product
Awaiting after comment Flak LOL
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 16:35
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 16:35
If buying new what bloody choice do you have?, when the japs have sooo.., many models and such a big market share? Your an idiot if you don't buy one!.
Axle.
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Reply By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 16:33
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 16:33
Real men don't use autos .
If they made an auto troopy turbo diesel , I would buy one straight away . I am sure they have figured that for some obscure reason , that it is a bad marketing move .
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Follow Up By: V8Diesel - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 16:40
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 16:40
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Follow Up By: Bware (Tweed Valley) - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 19:34
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 19:34
"I'm sure they have figured that for some obscure reason, that it is a bad marketing move."
That's the truth of it. It's about sales. How Toyota arrives at it's marketing decisions is beyond me. Why not put a stronger drive train in the 'cruisers? Who knows? Maybe because they're already leading the market...
People like us are in the minority when it comes to marketing decisions. Toyota (or anyone else) aren't concerned with producing a better 4wd for 'us'.
What about the latest model Hilux; dropped the ground clearance substantially which is what made it look like a 'go anywhere vehicle' and appealed to a large market? (You know, with the 'NO FEAR' stickers etc LOL)
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Reply By: PhilZD30Patrol - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 20:36
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 20:36
Hi
Having driven my automatic diesel in the bush I would never go back to a manual.
My dream is a TD 5 door troopy with coil springs on each wheel and automatic transmission.
Toyota just haven't got the imagination to market such a vehicle.
Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Axle - Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 21:15
Friday, Jan 26, 2007 at 21:15
After the other day, going around a work site in a 100 series Lc auto, in soft deep sand, tyres not let down, I was amazed how this thing handled the terrain. The beauty of the auto is you can keep a even speed & revs. .
Axle
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:25
Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:25
Phil ,
My dream too . At present I have a 100 TD auto , and I would never go back to a manual for touring through the deserts , the
Kimberley etc .
I think the only time I would ever consider a manual now would be if I joined a 4WD club and went on some of those car testing runs they seem to love doing .
Willie .
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Reply By: Barnesy - Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 00:05
Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 00:05
I think that for one auto's are more expensive to buy, fleet buyers go for cheap. Also work utes are basic simple machines that the whole point of them is to keep them as basic as possible, which means clutch and manual.
Then there is the added cost of manufacturing extra gearbox housings etc for the utes. Toyota didn't even change the body on their 75 series when they upgraded the chassis to save costs. GQ body is similar to MQ is another example.
I have no doubt that autos are good in many situations, but for me the control you have with a manual in tight off road situations means i would never buy an auto. I'll put up with the shortcomings for the benefit of actually having some engine braking going downhill in low range.
Barnesy
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 03:04
Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 03:04
Roll Starts?
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Follow Up By: Member - Willie , Epping .Syd. - Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:27
Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 09:27
In sand ?
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 16:02
Saturday, Jan 27, 2007 at 16:02
Yer why not have to have more chance them with a sluch box..LOL
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