Electric winches brand comparisons

Submitted: Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 11:07
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Hi I am looking for an electric winch for my L/C, I have looked at a few brand can I would appreciate feedback on T-Max, versus Brawn versus Ox etc. I am past on to buy or not to buy so I am looking for the "best value/reliability piece.
many thanks PM
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 16:01

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 16:01
Hi PM
The choice of winch will depend a lot on where and what you plan to do with your truck, bearing mind that a loaded L/C is about 3000 kgs
9000 Superior
9500 Warn
10000 Warn my choice
All three will give you a good service life with a good parts supply and are a common unit.
If you wish an 8274 will be the best but can be a bit dificult to fit to some bars, plus there are higher HP motors that can be fitted to these winches. If you do this you will haveto upgrade the control box and wiring.
Ray
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Follow Up By: PEM - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:50

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:50
Thanks Ray
I want the flexibility to tra(vel off road alone and I was looking for the ability to "rescue" myself touring no "rock crawling or submarine work", I have a TJM T15 winch compatable steel bullbar.
Does the warn 10000 work with "plasma rope"? Do you know?
thanks again
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Reply By: Beadman- Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 18:29

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 18:29
I done a lot of shopping around for my winch recently and I went with Tmax 10000lb. Tmax, Brawn, Tjm ox and Ironman are all the same thing just rebadged differently from what I've been told. The mother company being Tmax.
(You will hear alot of comments about parts for the Tmax but after i looked into it There were enough parts to rebuild the winch all over again)

If you have about 2K - 2K to spend you can't go past Warn 9500lb XP by far the most capable winch on the market today. I didn't go this way becasue of $$ and also that my TJM bar would of have had to be modified to fit it, As the Warn 9500LBXP is the lenght of a 12000Lb
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Follow Up By: PEM - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:52

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:52
Thank you Beadman, I am looking not to use it often so I would rather balance with other items
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Reply By: RobAck - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 18:32

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 18:32
Your choice of winch is pretty much limited to what type of bull bar you have as well. Both ARB and TJM use different cadles that suit their prefered winches; Warn and Ox respectively. So take care in researching that bit first.

A couple of other issues you need to consider are; will you put in a dual battery system, (if your LC100 is a TDI then it already has two batteries but that is not a dual battery system the engine needs two to start so you will need to add a third if you get my drift. wiring from the starting battery is the normal option as you need the engine operating anyway. You will need a 650CCA battery as a minimum to provide the power to operate the winch. Think about the extra weight you are adding, around 45 kgs or thereabouts depending on which one. So the front end will definately need stronger springs.

OK that should have got you thinking I would hope.

What to I use. Well I have a 10,000lb Ox and use both plasma and wire rope depending on where I am training and running trips.

Maintenance All winches need a check every year to ensure no corrosion etc. Failure to do that results in failure of winch to operate

I hope that all helps

Regards

RobA

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Follow Up By: PEM - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:58

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 19:58
RobA, many thanks
I have a TJM Steel T15 bullbar, I have a third "deep cycle" battery fitted (need to check 650CCA!)
I was wanting to fit plama rope as much as anything to reduce the weight overall, I assume the OX is OK with this? I hear some concerns about the heat generated by the internal brake of most winches, but I figure to use the winch "infrequently" and as such I think it is an calaculated risk. Any comments on this?
I have a 2inch suspension upgrade fitted (ARB) stronger springs I expect I am OK.
thanks again PM
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:08

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:08
Deep cycle "wet cell" battery won't do for any winching duties. If it is an AGM deep cycle (Fullriver) you could get away with it a few times, a "hybrid" AGM (Odyssey) would do it no probs, but they tend to be a bit on the exxy side ($250-350)
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Follow Up By: RobAck - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:02

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:02
PEM you will have no problems. The plasma rope copes very well with the Ox and any other winch. I use Dynamica which has a quite higher heat tolerance than several of the others. As a trainer the winch gets used a lot more than a normal one and I have never had a problem with either the winch or the Dynamica rope. One post indicates the need to keep it clean and you also need to protect it from UV which is quite easy you simply put a sleeve cover over the continually exposed bit and it is fine. Depending on use you will need to take it out and give it a clean a couple of times a year. That is fine as you need to check it fully at least that often if you don't use them regularly. If of course you use any recovery equipment in dirty/muddy conditions that will always deteriorate them to the point of being potentially dangerous. So it is always a good thing to clean all straps etc after use in sand and mud.

The correct winching technique for powering in is to only engage for 30 seconds or so to prevent heat build up and that is fine. The Ox, like most others of its capacity is very easy on power drawer due to is quite high gearing. Have a close look at current draw on load and you will see some rather interesting differences.

Don't worry about the battery type just as long as you have 650 CCA. I am using two of the new Supercharge SLA batteries on test at the moment and they are excellent in all aspects so far. I have tested the Orbital for several years and found them to be different in some ways but reserve capacity is king when it comes to winching. So the process, regardless of battery type, is to keep them in peak condition and make sure you keep the engine RPM correct to maintain a continuous charge if winching for any length of time

The rest of your setup sounds fine. Just keep an eye on front tyre wear and pressures for a while as sometimes the increased weight impacts on certain tyres due to their compounds. Your "infrequent" use will not place any pressure on your system as you have described it. Use caution, at least one snatch block, a bridle and that combination will reduce the stresses on the recovery points and if you keep to the 30 second rule it will be fine.

All the best with it

RobA
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Follow Up By: PEM - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:19

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:19
Gary, thanks for the battery info - PM

RobA, many thanks for the advice I will stick to the 30 seconds, if I am smart I wont need to use it? - PM
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:12

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 20:12
Plazma rope is nice and light, strong etc, but fails prematurely if left dirty for any length of time...the dirt becomes abrasive in use aswell. Low mounts generate heat because of brake action inside the drum, plasma doesnt like that either...so beware of these issues...for the money, id be looking for a 10k warn low mount....absolutely beautiful winches, fast and hold alot of larger diameter than 9000 rope.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:37

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:37
And I still have mine forsale! :)

Fully serviced the works

Sure your not comin this way soon ?? :)
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Follow Up By: PEM - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:20

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:20
Andrew, I will look into the Warn 10k, thanks - PM
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Reply By: Truckster (Vic) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:42

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 21:42
I wouldn't look any further than a good used serviced XD9000 Warn.> Well and truly proven over last 10-15yrs.. I've bought 2 used Warns on both my Patrols, never had a problem.

Failing that, give Ironman in Victoria a call, and ask for Ad's... they have some very impressive winches out if your buying new.
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Follow Up By: PEM - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:24

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:24
Truckster, I saw the 12000lb Ironman on thier website, I had never really heard of them, it seems you have heard "good" things about them. They are priced low found a 12000 Ironman free delivery, free wireless remote control, 3 year warranty,for A$850 seems to good a deal not to consider.
PM
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:33

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 22:33
PEM have a 12,000 pound Ironman in my Nissan and nothing has stopped it pulling so far. Pulled a car out of sand up round it's axles back early in the month near Beachport SA. Mine out sitting on it's diffs...... Not used the the block that I have except to pull the opposite direction as a portapower. It is slower to pull than the 9,500 one though that Nick R has. Gearing from the motor does that.
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Follow Up By: GaryInOz (Vic) - Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 23:41

Monday, Jan 29, 2007 at 23:41
"...I've bought 2 used Warns on both my Patrols, never had a problem...."

Are you SURE about that????

(Mt Skene snow trip ring a bell? ROTFLMAO!)
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 00:41

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 00:41
9000 warn has no hope of pulling a properly bogged 100 out even a 10,000 is marginal at best (personall experience)
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Follow Up By: PEM - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 21:37

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 21:37
John, thamks for the feedback it helps. PM
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Reply By: Taz & Milka-Queanbeyan - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 04:43

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 04:43
PEM,

I have also been researching into winches. My search led me to the Ironman 12000lbs as probably the best "economical" option.

If you are intending to use rope instead of wire then have a look at this site:

www.okoffroad.com/

I believe one of the guys on this site, Moggs, has purchased rope from here as it appears to be cheaper than any available in Aust.

It will be my intention to use the money I save, if I buy the Ironman, to buy 125 feet of rope from the US to wrap on it and probably an extension or two for good measure.Thats about 40 metres for around AUD$250 (using 5/16 rope which apparently can handle 13,700 lbs) and a 16 metre extension for AUD$126. I used 78 cents as the exchange rate so don't crucify me if I am wrong.

If you haven't already use the search facility on this forum to read up on tons of winch related articles.

Cheers ... Taz
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Follow Up By: PEM - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 21:28

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 21:28
Thanks Taz, I appreciate the info and comments, regards PM
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 15:03

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 15:03
Hi PEM
If you look at the Warn 9500, use the HD not the HS.
Personally I would not use synthetic rope on any winch that has internal brakes.
This leaves you with the superior and the 8274.
I am a bit short of time at the moment but if you whant more info on these let me know
Ray
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Follow Up By: Member - John (Vic) - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 21:13

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 21:13
Whats the matter with the HS?
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Follow Up By: PEM - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 21:31

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 21:31
Ray
many thanks, I have already chsed down the specs etc on the Warns gives me plenty to think about.
PM
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Reply By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 20:48

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 20:48
How ya goin' PEM
I have a T15 steel bullbar on my 100s and found that the bar DOES NOT support a winch, you will have to buy a winch frame from tjm and the winch mounts on that, then the bullbar fits on top. my 10000lbs elctric ox (t max) fits good but I have been told that a 12000lbs warn will not fit.
The kit cost me $266 (Brisbane)
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Follow Up By: PEM - Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 21:34

Tuesday, Jan 30, 2007 at 21:34
Gudday Shane,
Thanks, I knew I needed the winch frame, the price you paid seems to be the going rate, I have plenty of things to condsider re winch size, brand etc $'s, thanks again
PM
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Reply By: Kiwi Ray - Wednesday, Jan 31, 2007 at 10:36

Wednesday, Jan 31, 2007 at 10:36
Hi Jhon
There is nothing wrong with the HS. The HS is a high geared winch with a fast line speedand I do not think it is a good choice for a heavy L/C.
Ray
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