waeco error light coming on

Submitted: Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 18:55
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I I've a waeco 80 litre car fridge & had it for a couple of years now
i have the error light coming on ,on 12v & on 240 when i have the 12 hooked up as well
when i only have 240 hooked up everything is fine
a local mechanic has put the volt meter on it for me & the 2nd battery is fine & even the voltage thru to the cig light plug is fine too
could there be a problem with the mobitronics box or is it the fridge
now dont tell me to go buy a engle lol
i live 200 klm from Adelaide .So i want to know could it be the mobitronics box or is it a fault in the fridge as cost of even going somewhere to get the fridge fixed is expensive let alone the cost of the job
any help is appreciated
warren
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Reply By: Footloose - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:08

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:08
There's one way of finding out. Remove the panel where the voltage goes into the fridge , and measure voltage on the power socket while the fridge is going. I'd take a punt and say its a voltage drop thing, possibly a bad plug.
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Reply By: Nuzzles - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:08

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:08
Hey,

You fridge is suffering from a voltage drop. Your wiring to the fridge my not be big enough to cope with the current draw.

plug it in to 240V if it supports that and see if you have the same problem
im suffering the same problem with my cf-50 plugged mine in to ac and its fine, so im giving my deep cycle battery a big charge with a smart charger and try again, my cigg plug is wired straight to my second battery there shouldn't be a problem.

Cheers
Lyle
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Reply By: Member - Roger T (SA) - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:31

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:31
could be as simple as a dirty socket or plug,this may not be visable to the eye.one of the best cleaner of contacts is an ink rubber(eraser) as in cleaning model train track.slightly abrasive.low battery voltage caused by high resistance between supply and fridge.or even a loose connection.good luck.roger
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Reply By: On Patrol - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:35

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:35
aussichef
Had a similar issue with my 60l and in the end I dumped the cig lighter plug and wired it through 6mm wire (this is necessary to draw the current with minimal Volt Drop) direct from battery with "in-line fuse" near as possible to the battery, and an Anderson plug. No more problem. the left over male cig plug I also fitted an Anderson plug so I can still use my 240v adaptor. I now just have to unplug from the car and plug to male cig plug to use the 240v adaptor. Since this I have never again had an error light.
Colin.
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:54

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:54
People forget 1 basic thing of the Waeco 80 and 110 ,that being that it uses the bd50 and not the bd 35 as in the smaller models , the bd 50 works best on 24v not 12v or even 240v , the mobitronics "box" recomended for the 80/110 the mps 50 converts 240v to 24v NOT 12v ,,,, ergo Aussichef you have a case of voltage drop somewhere in your 12v line.
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Reply By: arofs1 - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:56

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:56
Both myself and my brother in law had the very same problem and after reading the manual closely it says to earth the plug wire right back to the battery negative post and NOT to the body of the vehicle as we had done. After we did this everything way fine. I am not sure how your plug is wired, but it is worth a try.

In both of our cases we had the fridge in the aluminium tray back of the vehicle and I suspect that aluminium or the mounting brackets do not conduct electricity as well as steel and that is why there was a voltage drop in the earth circuit back to the batteries own earthing negative lead that attached to the vehicle body.

Brian DJ
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Follow Up By: djm67 - Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 17:51

Wednesday, Feb 07, 2007 at 17:51
Aluminium is one of the best conductors of electricity
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Reply By: RobAck - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:59

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 19:59
aussichef you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned that you are connected to the cigarette lighter. These things have light weight wiring, around 2-3mm or thereabouts and it is not capable of handling the current demands of a fridge. If you check the connection you will most likely find it is very very hot. Heat buildup increased resistance and that outcome gives you a fire risk as wel.

Simple test is to connect it directly to the battery and I am almost willing to bet it will run without the error light. Your comment that it runs fine on 240V supports this thought.

If it still shows the error light then the best bloke in Adelaide for Waeco is Ken Smith who does lots of their repairs and warranty work. He can be contacted on 08-82776200

Best of luck but I am hopeful the fix is an easy one

Regards

RobA
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Follow Up By: Member - aussichef (SA) - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 20:16

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 20:16
the cig lighters i am talking abut are directly from the second battery by a 6mm cable
i am clutching @ staws here i am going to get some anderson plugs anyway
there is no voltage drop to the cig plug its after there so its got to be the mobiltronics box ?????? i havent had a propblem with it for 2 years since i had the 2nd battery system put in professionaly
warren
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Follow Up By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 13:23

Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 13:23
G'day Warren,
Mate, voltage drop is one of those funny things......you might be able to measure the voltage at the end of the lead where you plug it into the fridge, and come up with a healthy amount of volts. However, this does NOT automatically mean that the 12 volt wiring is up to the task you are asking of it. Once you apply the "load" to the wiring, there can be a lack of amps (?) getting through. Imagine for a moment,,,,...... you try to start you engine with a couple of 4mm cables (instead of the huge ones that are needed). Hmmmm plenty of volts at the end of the cable, but starter motor won't kick over.......same thing on a smaller scale with your fridge.
As suggested, check your plugs for dirty contacts and make sure earthing is all good.
99% of Waeco problems seem to be wiring related from what I've seen.
Cheers mate
Roachie
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Reply By: wazzaaaa - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 20:31

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 20:31
Where have you got the little slide switch positioned just above the inlet cord, on my 50l it has LOW, MED, HIGH.
I have mine switched to low when on 12v so that it tolerates less voltage, I think yours might be slightly different but it still has the 3 positions for the same thing.
Wazzaaaa
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Follow Up By: Member - andrew B (Kununurra) - Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:14

Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 07:14
Gday Wazzaaaa, the same switch on the 80 and 110l models changes the compressor speed, not the low volt setting. Confused me a bit when I first got mine, but eventually worked it out

Cheers Andrew
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Reply By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 20:33

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 20:33
A couple of weekends ago we were down south and it was bloody hot (40 degrees in the shade). My error light came on and so did 2 others who had waeco's. Don't know if it was the heat that was causing problems and the fridge being on 2 high a setting. But it was odd that 3 of us had similar problems and no power problems from our aux power supplies.
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Reply By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 20:45

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 20:45
I only ever have this error light come on when I switch on the turbo mode, must be pulling to much current through the cigi lighter so dont bother using it. When I get new vehicle I will put a plug direct to battery as others have suggested. Steve M
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Reply By: matttg - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 21:13

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 21:13
Hi,
Went up to Loveday on the weekend, a mates new 50 litre Waeco would only work on 240 v. He took it to the local camping shop waeco dealer and had the plug , battery checked. the error code said it needed to be returned to waeco to be looked at.
He rang Waeco today and returned it to Atlantic Refrigeration in Para Hills West.
Straight away they knew of the problem. Apparently there is a ceramic fuse behind to cover that does not like the hot weather.
This is going to take a week to look at. There work shop was full of Waeco fridges.
Itold him he should have brought an Engel !!!
Cheers
Matt
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Follow Up By: Cobes - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 22:56

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 22:56
Hi there,
I had the same problem with my 50 litre waeco ac vera. I was told that there is a known common problem with these fridges. They need to increase the size of the thermal fuse from memory from 6 amps to 8 or 9. This problem only ever occured when selecting the turbo option.
All has been fine since replacemnt.

Good luck.

Chris.
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Reply By: Member - Richard S (SA) - Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 23:02

Monday, Feb 05, 2007 at 23:02
"There work shop was full of Waeco fridges" Thats because they are Waeco service agents. for a big part of Adelaide....go to a Engle service agent and you may see only Engles in for repairs, does this make them any worse than Waeco.

Waeco are as good as Engle and Engel are as good as Waeco, the reason you see more Waecos in for repairs or hear about them is that they sell 4 Waecos to every 1 Engel.

This is not because Waeco are any better or cheaper its just the way it is, Waeco is a hugh hugh company, if you had a look at there OEM catalogue you would be surprised.

Same as you hear more problems with the new Hiluxs than any other 4wd ute, why!.....they sell more.

I think we need to start a debate about Engel and Rays and ARB fridges to see which one is better (LOL).

Now about the problem.

1) What is your battery monitor swith on the fridge set to.
2) Try it direct to the bartery.
3) Try it when the vehcle is running.

The error light may be coming on for another problem, there was a batch that had a faulty board in them, Waeco replaces it under warranty.

Ring Mark at Atlanta and ask him about yor problem and tell him what you have found.

Your fridge has a 3 year warranty on every thing and 5 years on the sealed system so it should cost you nothing to fix.

Regards Richard

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Reply By: Member - Jeff H (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 00:48

Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 00:48
Mate I'd go with the first reply first. (Footloose).
We had the error light on BOTH 12 and 240v recently. (50l Waeco, 5yo).
Battery was fine - trip starting tomorrow - panic/think.
Cleaned ALL contacts (Fuse, earth, plugs), and 12v became fine. Found a loose wire on the Mobitronics side - 240v also good.
So what were the odds that both supplies would fail simultaneously ?
(btw.Ute drove out recently while still connected. "Distorted" a Britax plug, and dropped the transformer 5' onto concrete. Restored the plug, and all is well, so was I just lucky, or are Mobitronics more robust than I'd dared hope?)
Trust that all is well with your unit. Jeff.
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Reply By: PhilZD30Patrol - Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:36

Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 08:36
Hi

If the fridge works OK on 240 volt AC through the invertor then it most likely the 12 volt DC supply in the vehicle.

At the risk of boring some of the respondents, as mentioned above, voltage drop is usually the initial problem. 12volt DC in motor vehicles can be very unreliable and the source of much grief.

High resistance caused by loose fittings, dirty connections and cables of insufficient current carrying capacity are often the initial cause of a cycle of 12 volt fridge problems.

Car cigarette lighters are potentially a high resistance connection due to the poor quality, low current capacity and inadequacy of the fittings. This applies to even the most expensive cigarette lighter fittings as they all rapidly loose there spring tension especially when bouncing along on rough tracks. Once arcing occurs and a high resistant joint heats up it causes even higher resistance in a never ending cycle until the connection fails. The arcing and the higher resistance cause an increase in amps due to the voltage drops. The increase in current eventually blows fuses and/or causes fridge electrical components to fail.

my recommendation is:
- Get rid of cigarette lighter connections.
- Hard wire the fridge in a minimum of 6 mm cross section copper wire. Use the same size wire for both positive and negative connections.
- Connect a fuse or preferably a circuit breaker in the positive cable close to the battery. Ensure it is of adequate amperage to handle fridge starting current. Fuse capacity minimum of 8 and a maximum of 10 amps will probably be ok. Some trial and error may be required.
- Keep the positive and negative cables run as short as possible, within reason of course. i.e. you don't need to place the wife on the roof rack and the fridge on the front passenger seat.
- Regularly check all cable connections for tightness and cleanliness.
- Blame the fridge only after you are certain that the supply cable connections are OK

Hope this helps
Cheers
Phil
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Reply By: Robnicko - Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 09:33

Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 09:33
Aussichef,
the 12v connection on the fridge (the 2 posts) could also be a bit dirty. Get a female spade connector and use it to scrape the posts, or even a small file just to clean them up a bit. I have even heard of peopl packing aluminum foil into the end of the 12v lead so that when you plug it into the fridge it gives better contact.
The lead Waeco supply is crap. You might want to make one up out of 6mm wire, thats what I did and there is minimal voltage drop when you do this.
read article 41792 where I quoted figures for voltage drop between waeco lead and home made lead.

Rob
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:17

Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:17
Hello Robnicko, agree with previous posts about the cig lighter bad connections ( a hella or merrit seems a good fix, though not sure about a 50A anderson plug ? seems a bit of overkill ? ) but with your idea of replacing the standard supply lead ( 12V ) what did you use for a plug into the fridge itself ?? The original plug is moulded so you can't reuse that.
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Follow Up By: Robnicko - Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:37

Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 10:37
Gronk,
I bought a 2nd waeco lead to hack up for the end (i know it sounds like a waste of money) but it has solved the problem.
I could not find an end like the waeco lead anywhere, dick smith, radio parts, jaycar???
The importanat thing is to determine the +ve & -ve poles on the fridge. The top one is usually +ve.

Rob
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:31

Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:31
Did you get the plug apart? or did you cut the leads as short as possible and solder the bigger cable on ??
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Follow Up By: Robnicko - Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:37

Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 11:37
Gronk,
You guessed it, cut off the lead and soldered on 6mm wire. Can't imagine much voltage drop through 2cm of standard wire. It works fine. Just make sure to use an inline fuse at the merit plug (waeco use a fuse inside the plug which being spring loaded I reckon is half the problem)

Here below is a copy of the Email I sent to waeco. I have not received a reply from them as yet.

Thanks for your reply however the cable is definetly the problem. What I did was measure the voltage at the fridge when idle, and under load and in turbo mode. When using the standard lead there was a 1.1volt drop through the lead in normal compressor running mode and 1.5 to 1.6v when turbo mode selected. My battery was at 12.6v (vehicle turned off) and 12.6v was also measured at the power outlet in my vehicle. However the fridge was reading 11.5v. I then made up a lead using 6mm cable and tried it. It read 12.6v @ battery, 12.6v@ power outlet and 12.55v @ fridge 0.05v loss through cable. Then the turbo function worked properly and stayed in turbo mode until the set temperature was reached.
When the car is started, the voltage at the battery was 14.5v, socket 14.5v and fridge 14.45v.

Is there a difference in the amount of amps the lead of a cf80/110 can handle as opposed to the one on the cf 40/50/60. The only difference I can see is the plug that goes into the fridge. Right angled for smaller models and straight for the bigger ones.

ROb
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Follow Up By: Gronk - Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 13:49

Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 13:49
Good stuff !!! I might just cut up the original lead ( only 2 weeks old ) and put on a narva plug (same as hella ) and an in line fuse . ps; what sort of fuse did you use, an inline glass type or a spade type ??

The lead won't look pretty but ???
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Follow Up By: Robnicko - Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:25

Thursday, Feb 08, 2007 at 09:25
Gronk,
Sorry about the delay.been on the road for work. I used the inline spade fuse holder that Narva sell. Make sure you solder the connections and not use the crimp type terminals. If the lead doesnt look nice you can always use conduit over it exposing the inline fuse only. It also helps with getting the lead caught in the fridge slide if you have one.

Rob
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Reply By: Howard T - Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 12:18

Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 12:18
Hi Warren
Havent had a chance to look at all the replies however the same thing happened to me. Mine worked on 240 but not 12V.
Problem was the pins where the plug fits on. These had accumulated dust and grime over a few years and as soon as I cleaned them up (used a bit of electra clean and fine sand paper) and presto fridge works perfectly.
It appears that it doesent take much grime etc to cut the 12V current.

Regards
Howard.
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Reply By: Member - Olcoolone (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 19:21

Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 at 19:21
The differance in the plugs for the CF80/110 is it is straight and the CF18-60 is right angled.

The plug for the CF80/110 will fit the CF18-60 but not the other way around due to the right angle plug fouling on the casing of CF80/110.....I hope it makes sense..It did to me the 3rd time I read my reply.

Regards Richard
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