Drive by Wire - Jackaroo

Submitted: Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 13:47
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I’ve recently bought a 2000 3.0L TD Jackaroo. This has drive-by-wire system coupled up to the ECM. I was just wondering if anyone has had any problems with this system, or, is there any way to over-ride this system if one had a breakdown with either the ECM or the module on the accelerator pedal, and you were in the middle of the outback, with nothing around for miles???

Thanks,
David.
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 14:30

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 14:30
I'd dare say you'd have a hell of a lot less chance of the computer buggering up than a thorttle cable snapping. Besides if your ECU was to bugger up, moving the butterfly in the throttle body would be the least of your problems! Moving the pistons up and down in the engine would be next to impossible! LOL

Normally if these things are to go bad, GENERALLY they would fall into a fail safe mode which would at least get you going, albeit a little slowly.
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 15:08

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 15:08
A friend of mine had one go, I recall he was looking at like 5-6000 to get it going again.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 15:30

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 15:30
I repaired my tumble dryer yesterday. It's a few years old but has had little use and works well. A few weeks ago it decided to do funny things - all the lights came on and it ignored the buttons. I stripped it down and found the main controller - as I suspected a single chip microcontroller and a few discrete electronics - "feels like a reset problem to me" I thought. Located the capacitor which looked like it handled the reset, removed and replaced it with a similar one. Problem solved - tumble dryer back to working like new.

The moral: the capacitor which failed is about 3mm diameter by 10mm high and costs about 10c. I happen to be an electronics engineer and have the knowledge, tools and spare parts to do this kind of thing - had I not then the tumble dryer would have been a write off. Modern day electronics are, usually, very reliable but they do go wrong and are very, very difficult to fix. As they age they tend to fail more often - I wonder what will happen in ten years time when all these electronic 4WDs are failing in remote spots - probably won't be worth repairing them?

Electronics in a vehicle? Fine for the family car but for a 4WD...? Give me as few as possible.

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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 16:34

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 16:34
Mike, I wish you had been here to see my antics trying to get my 15 year old dishwasher running again, I have had extensive training with circuit board repair (multi layer Aircraft & NASA registrations - those were the days, using 'dental' techniques to repair a 13 layer circuit board out of the computer on a Sea King.... )....My solution was to buy a new one - with a simple rotary timer rather than the all singing all dancing one...
I did of course ask my wife if she wanted the position of honary dishwasher but she said 'Over my dead body' which for a fleeting second I did consider...
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 16:54

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 16:54
Your friend had a what???????? may I ask.

C'mon! give us some details instead of alluding to a 'one'.

Was that one e-goat v3.3??????????????
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 16:59

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 16:59
Excuse me 'Minister for anything & everything' are you hinting here that he had to to get it up to 5-6000 rpm to make it work.

How did he do that.
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Follow Up By: Mr Fawlty - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 19:09

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 19:09
I think he means $5000 -$6000 to repair it...Do pay attention Lucy...
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Follow Up By: Member - 'Lucy' - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 20:02

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 20:02
Are you sure about that, could buy a new one for that sort of money.

AND

If 'buffoon Bonz' would take the time to elucidate himself, I wouldn't have to expose my inadequacies and ask such questions.

About time he took a remedial at the Terang College for Anything and Everything , including the module re 'house lifting' from peoples houses when he visits unannounced.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 21:47

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 21:47
Indeed I once knew a man who had a Jackaroo TD whose electrinic brain did go phut. (the car not the man) It cost $5000-$6000 to repair and Holden came to the party with 50% of the cost.

Now I am not sure what u mean about unannounced house visits for I always precede a visit with fanfare and pomp and ceremony, even if it is 10 mins before I pull into the driveway.

Hope This has sufficiently unbefuddled your mind Lucy so that you can fond your way to the railway station to get to work tomorrow.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 21:52

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 21:52
The repair was a replacement too not a 10c e-goat upgrade
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:28

Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:28
There are already plenty of electornic whiz bangery 4wd's out there that are 10-15 years old running fine. Look at any EFI petrol, even my old surf is EFI diesel, yeah ok it has a mechanical throttle control, but really have a little electric motor and a sensor on the pedal is not exactly complicated compared to the other bleep that is going on there.

$5000-$6000 = Holden = Rip off = What else would you expect from a dealer.
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Reply By: Mr Fawlty - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 16:45

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 16:45
I have a 2002 TD Jack, only time it failed to proceed was because the cretin who serviced it at my very competant Holden dealer did not correctly plug one of the leads back into the computer... Got 300 metres down the road and it just came to a stop, right in the middle of a roundabout.
I also watched in total amazement when the aformentioned "mechanic" from the dealership was looking for the accelerator cable to give the engine a rev...
THIS IS IMPORTANT THOUGH: there is available software that can be run on a laptop via a lead that connects to the serial port and the diagnostics plug on the Jack. I can't find it anywhere but if I could I recon it would be worth it's weight in gold. I've seen a guy use it at Mossman FNQ and asked him about it but he said he knew nothing about it apart from the fact that it let him diagnose faults and to a limited extent "reprogramme" the electronics in Isuzu Diesels. Maybe an Isuzu item rather than a GMH item...
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:30

Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 10:30
I have a print out of the error codes for my ECU in the tool box, a simple paper clip put on the diagnostics lead of most ECU operated cars will flash the engine light on the dash to give you error codes that will tell you what is wrong.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 20:07

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 20:07
7 years and 137k to date in my version of the same chariot and no issues with driving by wire - lots of modern cars are using this type of system now as I understand it - risky ? Yep - I fully expect to have to pay $$$ if it fails outback - but its just another risk to take in choosing vehicles - if you want a really simplistic, uncomplicated, easy to fix, yet comfortable and efficient vehicle, let me know when you find it (in my price range :-0) ....... my next vehicle will be just as complicated, but I'll stick to mainstream brand and model - that way, the service manager at the end of the tow should at least have some familiarity with the thing (but maybe not :-(..........
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 20:20

Sunday, Feb 11, 2007 at 20:20
>but its just another risk to take in choosing vehicles

Not really. The problem with electronics is that they are un-fixable, usually, in the bush. Most mechanical things can be jerry rigged to get you out of trouble somehow but if the output MOSFET on your engine control micro fails then you're stuffed - full stop!

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Reply By: Kiwi Kia - Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 07:38

Monday, Feb 12, 2007 at 07:38
I have some experience of 'black box' run machinery (large industrial plc installation), but not down to component level. Nearly all of the faults that I have had to trace were to do with the sensors that fed information into the computers. Vibration, hot oils, 'electronic rust', water getting into plugs & mechanical switches and mechanical damage to cables accounted for almost all of the faults. Have a look at how the cables run from your accelerator pedal to the nearest 'black box'. If there is any way that small stones, sand or even water can get in there or mats interfere with the pick-up then keep an eye on it for signs of wear & tear.
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