why a snorkel is important

Submitted: Friday, Feb 16, 2007 at 22:26
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i have a 90 model surf and the other day i was going through my local bush after a rain playing in the mud holes having a ball trying to give my front lokka a challenge as it seems to get through nearly everything i throw at it when i went threw one of the deeper holes this must have been dug out a bit deeper since the last time i was there because when i went threw the wave came up over my bonnet up the windscreen and over my roof the smurf stalled and came to a stop the water still over my rear wheel arches i tried to crank the starter to get me out of the mud but it would not crank i climbed over the back seat to get the snatch and hope that someone would be past to pull me out when i looked into the boxs on the sides which were slowly filling with water NOT GOOD grabbed the snatch and shackles and then tried the starter again it at least tried this time but still not good enough and then help arrived while he was getting into position the water reached the carpet in the back then he dragged me out i opened the air box which was FULL to the brim of muddy water i can only imagine how much water was sucked through the engine after removing the filter and the water i gave it a crank and after a bit it chugged into life spitting copious amounts of blackened muddy water out of the exhaust i then went and found a hill i could park it on to drain the water out the back and came to the conclusion that i need a snorkel i was wondering what the cheapest way to do this is will i save money getting one from the wreckers and fitting it myself or should i just get a new one. PS my sealed headlights have 5mm of mud at the bottom
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Reply By: Scubaroo - Friday, Feb 16, 2007 at 23:44

Friday, Feb 16, 2007 at 23:44
Hopefully there's a followup post - why paragraphs are important.

Spend the dosh to get a new one fitted - they don't break the bank, and as you've found, are a necessity for some 4WD activities.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 08:00

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Reply By: Member - Royce- Friday, Feb 16, 2007 at 23:47

Friday, Feb 16, 2007 at 23:47
bush after rain? Muddy water? What's that stuff?
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Follow Up By: Member - Davoe (Nullagine) - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 00:51

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 00:51
after washing muddy vehicles at the endof every shift i have ZERO intrest in deliberatly destroying my own vehicle (20k a year minimum running costs to run your vehicle through slosh)
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Reply By: Bilbo - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 07:11

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 07:11

I'm with you mate.

It's a funny old world, this world of 4 Wheel Driving isn't it? Some of us go out to deliberately get bogged or see how far we can get and others just use the vehicle as tool to get around far away places.

I've never seen the sense in going out to get purposely bogged. Too much trouble. Of all the things in all the world, I hate getting stuck.

But, to answer the lad's question - get a new one. Get a Safari.

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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 09:26

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 09:26
At least somebody has finally owned up to deliberately damaging the bush tracks!
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Follow Up By: dirty dirty 4x4 - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 11:09

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 11:09
i am as gentle as possible on the tracks but with a big wide open mud pan i just cant resist i hear it calling me if the engine haddent stalled i would have been able to drive out so with a snorkel ill have even more fun
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Follow Up By: camollie - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:14

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:14
why safari, what advantages compared to other makes.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 13:42

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 13:42
Maybe because the Airtec left or right handed stylised air scoop is very ineffective!
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 10:58

Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 10:58

Purely based on past comment on this forum, Safari Snorkles seem to fit btter, are better finished, crack less and have less leaks.

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Reply By: hoyks - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:15

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:15
There are a few new kits turning up on Ebay for around the $400 mark. You just need to know what model will fit the surf.

I too have been known to play in the mud in the past, it is just my limit of traction doesn't let me get me into too much trouble.

Oh, and my vehicle didn't do anywhere near as much damage as the bulldozer that levelled all the bush so Landcom could subdivide it. and the stuff on the other side of the hill could be turned into an open cut coal mine. So there went my test track.
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Follow Up By: dirty dirty 4x4 - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:31

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:31
it is happening everywere 1/4 of my local has just been bulldozed it just happened to be the best 1/4 a gully with lots of hill climbes all gone to make way for houses
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:36

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 10:36
Ithink that most of us have learnt that a 4w.d is designed to take us safely from A to B where a conventional car cannot. Deliberately trying to get it bogged proves nothing to anyone and I would not be boasting about it particularly where there could have been a big cost involved not to mention destroying the tracks---only myopinion.
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Follow Up By: dirty dirty 4x4 - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 11:01

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 11:01
who said i was deliberately trying to get bogged i have spent the last few months making my smerf a capeable 4x4 lokka lift tyres soon to be snorkel intercooler boost controll and a winch.

when i go threw tracks i try not churn up the track but at my local there is a big open mud patch which is perfect for play and apparently swimming after a rain

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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 17:27

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 17:27
Clearly not capable enough...
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Follow Up By: dirty dirty 4x4 - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 20:05

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 20:05
not quite but it will only get better as i go threw the never ending list of mods and acessories
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Follow Up By: geocacher (djcache) - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 01:01

Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 01:01
You can mod and accessorise all you like.

Maybe add a 4wd course to the list.

The most effective driver in a moderately capable vehicle will exceed the efforts of an ordinary driver in a very capable vehicle most of the time.

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Reply By: dirty dirty 4x4 - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 11:20

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 11:20
i use my 4x4 for play 70% long camping trips 10% and 20% road I expect to break thing i dont want to blow an engine and will try to avoid it by buying a snorkel i have a 90 mod surf paid $3000 for it. It has scratches a couple of rust spots and doesnt look beautifull thats why i bought it so i dont have to worrie about adding a few scratches and dents. i go 4x4ing about twice a week and have allready got my $3000 worth of fun out of it and there is still much more fun to be had
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Reply By: navaraman - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:44

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:44
Good on you for enjoying for 4by dirty dirty.

For my 2c have the snatch strap attached next time, check the depth first and try not to go alone. I'm guessing the smurf is a diesel so a snorkel is a must IMO.

Patrolman Pat
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Reply By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:51

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 12:51
Is it a petrol or a diesel? If it's a diesel it is absolutally amazing it fired up, but god knows what damage you have done. I would be thinking maybe bent valves at the least. I don't think that all is well.

Firstly, if your engine stops while crossing water/mud - DO NOT TRY AND START IT AGAIN, espically over and over and over because each time you are doing more damage.

If it's a petrol, recover the vehicle and remove the spark plugs and turn it over. That will expel the water with out trying to compress it in the cylinder and fuk everything. If it's a diesel, remove the glow plugs and turn it over to expel the water.

With my surf the quater panel was the same as the hilux and the 4 runner. At the time safri did not make a snorkel specifically for the surf so we had a look at the diagrams in the brochure and decided that the 2.8D Hilux had the closest fit as far as the airbox connection went. It was a simple matter of replacing the inside hose with a soft rubber one with a spring inside it to stop it kinking and it fit straight on. The only difference with my air box and the 2.8 hilix was that mine was on a 45 degree angle instead of being straight up and down (or somthing, can't remeber exactly) so a bit of flexiable hose and we were away. I used the safari, I like the look of them and they are probably the most common ones out there.

As far as the bush goes, I'm as much of an advocat for looking after the tracks as anyone, I'm anal about it and about rubbish being left around. BUT. I fail to see the point of "treading lightly" on areas that are going to be bulldosed and have houses put on them in 12 months time, so to me, those areas are the areas to go a little silly if you are that way inclined. I'd much rather that than people tearing around the national parks and reserves getting them closed down.

I'm a relativly reserved guy when it comes to my 4bying, the most of my 4bying is on the beach for a camp/fish or out in the bush for an explore and camp. However, I have been known to have a little fun too and I think anyone who claims they havn't is either lying or very boring! :-P

It's all about the right time and place and being reasonably responsible even if you are just having a play. I don't know the area in question here, but it doesn't sound like he was doing anything wrong.

Some people buy 4bys for touring,
some for work,
some for towing the boat or van
some for hardcore 4wding
some because they have little dicks and feel like they need to be better than everyone else

Whatever your personal reasons are for owning/driving and enjoying your 4wd vehicle does not make it the only reason to have one for everyone else.

I don't particulary like sliding around on my back getting mud in my eyes while washing the 4by either, but it doesnt' stop me getting mud on it from time to time. If you don't want to get mud on your 4by because you don't like cleaning, just make sure you only drive it in summer. :->

I don't particulary enjoy sliding around on my back washing the salty beach sand of the underside of the car either, but I still drive it on the beach.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen M (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 13:18

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 13:18
Hi there Jeff, I thought the surfs only come in turbo diesel not petrol ??? But I reckon you could be right as far as the damge department goes. They say it only takes 30 mil of water to blow a diesel. Dont know if thats true or not or just pub talk. Either way I would be holding off the snorkel at this stage and as you said make sure nothings bent internally. Might take a few more klms to show any sign. What you think. Steve M
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Follow Up By: Member - Jeff M (WA) - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 15:33

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 15:33
There were a few V6's brought in, however only by people who moved over here from Japan and brought them with them.

The earlier models (late 80's) had 4 cylinder petrols, but I'm not sure when they stopped doing that, for $3k it might be the older model with the petrol. If it is a 2.4TD (2LTE) motor and it is fukt it may not be worth rebuilding and a 3.8L commodore engine conversion might be a better option, in which case the snorkel may need to be different. If it's a petrol, it might be ok although you can still do nasties to it by cranking it with water in the clylinders...
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Follow Up By: Steve - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 17:03

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 17:03
Jeff, I think there are a few dealers who've brought them in from Japan. A bloke near me did a few years ago.
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Follow Up By: dirty dirty 4x4 - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 20:02

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 20:02
its a 90 mod LN130 2LT 5 speed manual turbo diesel the reason it was cheap is because it had been keyed and needed new cvs tyres and front diff it had 130,000ks on the clock and a reco engine about 10,000ks ago I think it was a good buy.

Ive done about 1500 ks and a few more 4x4 trips since the swim and havent noticed any issues with it but god forbid if it were to happen again i would not crank it untill i had removed the water. since being told what could happen
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Reply By: madfisher - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 16:34

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 16:34
I cannot believe that you did not bend a conrod. Water in a diesel is normaly terminal.
While I dont go looking for trouble anymore I can remenber about 2o years ago going 4wheeling of a night just for fun. Drove an Suziki LJ80 into a ditch dug by a kato, it was so steep the front spring hangers dug into the ground , but it still clawed it way up the other side
Cheers Pete
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Reply By: GQ_TUFF - Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 23:14

Saturday, Feb 17, 2007 at 23:14
Good luck with the snorkel hunt and good luck with the motor.........As has been mentioned we all buy or 4x4's for our own reasons if "dirty dirty 4x4's" reason is not the same as yours tough bleep and get over it, as long as its legal and the right place at the right time whats the problem??? Some of the older ones forget what it was like to be young and have fun and worry about the repairs when the funs over...........Case in point my first 4x4 was a clapped out tb42 GQ, I trashed it bashed it and flogged the guts out of it, but I also learned alot about what breaks them and what they take, now I have my GU which cost alot more it is always a compromise between the fun factor and the repair bill.....but sometimes I take the risk knowing it could result in damage just to say I climbed that bloody big steep rocky hill and take a nice pic from the top.

Have fun and enjoy your car for the reason that YOU bought it

Cheers Stefan
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