Inflating a tubeless tyre
Submitted: Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 10:39
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Spend hours the other day trying to get a tractor tyre to seal on the rim and inflate,after rolling the tyre off the rim whilst doing some loader work cleaning out a
dry dam.Even after placing a tie down strap around the outside and tensioning up to the max and lots of soapy
water mix to help the trye slip easier on the rim took out the valve...........just could not get enough air in fast enough .So called in the tyre man and with his compressed air can an instant blast of air directed between the tyre bead and the rim instant success,took about 1 millisecond.
But I have since heard that a small amount of petrol poured into the tyre followed by a match.............woooooosh the tyre get "blown" onto the rim.
Maybe an emergency technique,but has anyone tried it.,works
well on 4wd tyres i'm told.
Reply By: Willem - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 10:55
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 10:55
This woosh technique was discussed at length here on the
forum about 3 years ago. An archive search may reveal something. There was even a video clip of some crazy Icelanders doing just that in the snow.
I'd say it would work but if you put too much petrol on you might blow the tyre right off the rim...LOL
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Reply By: Member - JohnR (Vic)&Moses - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 10:57
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 10:57
The explosive effect doens't sound safe does it and the petrol used small. Have heard gas (propane or whatever) squirted in before but you wouldn't want your hand in the way. Just the same with the squirt of air your tyre man used.
The local garage have an air tank with a 40mm tap on it and squashed end of
water pipe to match. Pump it up and squirt it in.
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Reply By: F4Phantom - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 11:02
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 11:02
on you tube there is an amazing video of some yanks thrashing and finally killing a cherokee, its one of the best 4x4 vids i have seen. anyway half way through they spray some aerosol like flyspray into the rim and it works a treat. Petrol has a hotter flame whereas aerosol is cool and safe, but it still causes a bang.
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Reply By: Russel & Mary - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 11:10
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 11:10
I've done it twice now using petrol on 31x10.5x15 tyres. I put about a half a mouthful in the tyre (not measured that way) and a little trail from the bead to the tread. Light the trail and push the tyre down with your foot to get fire inside the tyre. Keep your foot away from the rim area for a toe saving technique. It goes whoomp and scares the hell out of you. Pump it up straight away otherwise the inside cools down and can slip off the bead.
Have a bit of
water on hand to extinguish and flame on the tyre. Rus.
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Reply By: 3F62 - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 12:03
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 12:03
Wont get bogged down in the obvious saftey issues But have seen a type of womens hair spray used with effect...........
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 12:15
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 12:15
Of course I haven't done this because it would be illegal but a bloke in a pub once told me that he made a potato cannon and used a squirt of aerosol deodorant called "Degree for men" and that would shoot a decent size potato about 300m! He also said hairspray worked quite
well but the Degree stuff was best. There is a lot of energy in that stuff.
He also mentioned that he got into serious trouble with his (now ex! :) wife after the rear end of the potato cannon flew off and hit (with predictable consequences) the
kitchen window! :)
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: handy - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 13:55
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 13:55
black and gold hair spray works
well in the spud cannon mike,
not that i know, lol
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Follow Up By: Kev M (NSW) - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 17:29
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 17:29
The furtherest I've seen a Billard ball go was about 4 - 500m with a quick jet of natural gas. Made by a fitter at work. The best potato cannon I've ever seen
Cheers Kev
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Reply By: David from David and Justine Olsen's 4WD Tag-Along - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 13:41
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 13:41
I had a particularly stubborn tyre once that refused to inflate. I normally us a 16 inch bike tube to seal, but didn't have it with me. I did have metho, so I poured about two tablespoons of metho in the tyre, removed the valve pumped some air in to help evaporate some of the metho so it would burn better and lit the metho..standing back a bit!!
It worked a treat.
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Reply By: Bilbo - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 14:39
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 14:39
Years ago, most aerosol cans used CFCs as the propellant gas, and we all know what those "nasty gases" do don't we?
So they switched to using propane as a propellant. Have good look at most of these aerosols and you'll "Propane Propellant" on 'em,,,,,,,Hair spray, that poofter underarm stuff that real Aussie men wouldn't dream of using ;), fly spray, even - God help us - spray on cooking oil (make sure the gas isn't lit my love,,,)
Hence they all make good "tyre sealers" when ignited inside the tyre. Prolly safer than petrol IMO.
You could even use the gas from yer
camping gas bottle if yer really stuck!
Bilbo
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Follow Up By: strzelecki - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 15:01
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 15:01
An aerosol sounds relatively safe,gee almost looking forward to the next tire job :))
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 15:35
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 15:35
" target="EOF" class="lbg">www.youtube.com/watch?v=N252RPAMPaI
fitting a 37" Humvee tyre
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Follow Up By: Bilbo - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 17:42
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 17:42
The URL didn't work Peter.
Came up with - "malformed video ID,,,,,,,,,,
????
Bilbo
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Follow Up By: Peter 2 - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 18:20
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 18:20
Bilbo it works from here, might have to copy and paste into your browser.
The yanks seem to use lighter fluid too.
If you search around there is another one where way too much fluid is used and the whole tyre and wheel takes off!
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Reply By: mfewster - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 18:10
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 18:10
This topic was discussed at some length a couple of months ago, As many forumites attested, it does work and I am yet to hear of anyone getting into trouble doing it (assuming one takes the sort of reasonable precautions handling petrol and proximity to flames of your fuel container.)
Don't make the mistake of using diesel thinking it may be safer. The slower burn rate will see your tyre go up in smoke. I think the faster burn rate of petrol is an advantage for the technique, it goes bang and then self extinguishes because the sealing of the tyre cuts off the oxygen, but the ease of carrying an aerosol is a good point, especially if you drive a diesel and don't want the issues of storing carrying petrol as
well.
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Reply By: mfewster - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 18:35
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 18:35
Last time this was discussed I referred readers to Jol Fleming. I have just checked his website
www.direct4wd.com.au/default.htm
Jol is about to put up info on tyre resealing techniques the safe way, so check the site. His site is also a
mine of useful info on 4WD and central Oz. While you are at it, check out the other links on the site and have a read of the man's life story. Incredible and true. I have become pretty cynical about the use of the word "legend", but I think in his case it might be justified. Read it and tell me what you reckon.
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Reply By: hoyks - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 19:49
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 19:49
Aerostart is the go.
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Follow Up By: hoyks - Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 19:59
Sunday, Feb 18, 2007 at 19:59
It was discussed here:
Site Link
Just scroll down until you see the links.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky (VIC) - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 05:42
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 05:42
I like the bike tyre thingy, that I read a little further down.
Not done a tractor tyre yet, so I'm no expert, but I will not use any propellents, sounds too dangerous.
Then again never been that desperate either.
For all car tyres I just use a rachet strap, wrapped completely around the centre of the tyre, do it up real tight, and blow up tyre up with my Big Red compresor.
Not seen a tyre I have not been able to inflate this way.
But its not atractor tyre either.
Cheers
Bucky
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