Battery Current Saver
Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 17:54
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Member - Ian H (NSW)
Hi all,
I bought and fitted a BCS (battery current saver) to our Waeco 80 litre fridge/freezer. Before the BCS I could get about 24 hours from the deep cycle battery but with it fitted I got over 48 hours with the same use last weekend.
The weather was warm to hot but the beer was cold.
It works as a switch to control the running time of the fridge and you set the thermostat to full on so it will run when ever the BCS timer switch allows. It is switched within a period of about 35 min so you can set it for 3 min on and 32 off, 32 min on and 3 min off or anywhere in between.
I found about 8 min on and 27 min off in each period worked
well.
I know there will be the usual negative comments but I am just telling those with an open mind who might like longer battery life without running the engine. I thoroughly recommend the BCS, and no, I don't own the company.
Reply By: lewjack1 - Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 19:31
Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 19:31
hi ian h,
i have a auto fridge (quirks) and the formula that they use run the fridge is
on(2)) cycle,run all day as needed,setting (7)r two hours a day once
in the morning and one at nite. mind you the way a auto frige works is a bit different to an normal compreser driven fridge although the same bd 35 compresser is used. this also gives you great battery extention
which is problely what this BCS does but i do it manually
lewjack1
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 19:44
Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 19:44
The Autofridge is eutectic and works by storing "cold" in a band around the box while the engine is running so it can be turned off when stopped. But, it will run out of "cold" after a while. The BCS will extend the battery life when used on a normal fridge. Autofridges are great, even if a bit small in volume.
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Reply By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:27
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:27
Ian,
I'm intrigued and want to believe, but I still don't get it. Outbacktourer's analogy would suggest that it the the current draw on start up that accounts for the increased power usage when running the fridge normally. I know that your fridge will draw extra current on start up, but surely not by a similar factor to cranking your engine over? Is it similar to a fluorescent light in that you are better off running it in fewer but longer blocks rather than turning it on and off?
I would have thought that the increased efficiency comes from not keeping the fridge in such a narrow temperature range. It strikes me that, with power usage being a key point of appeal, manufacturers should re-tune their thermostat to give similar results to those you are achieving with the power saver. Or perhaps they see maintaining a certain temp range as being more important?
Do you need to tweak it much in hotter conditions?
I'm not putting it down (your results speak for themselves) just interested to understand why.
Matt.
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:27
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:27
Matt, I'd say you are right. The idea here is to not keep the fridge in such a tight temp range. In itself not too bad as long as you don't push it too far. The thermostat in the fridge is probably more reading the air temp in the fridge. This will vary a lot more than the contents. I'm guessing that you could let the air temp go up to 6 degrees at least without the contents getting above 4 degrees.
My fridge (a Reefer) has a control that lets me adjust switch on and off temps. After some experimenting, I now have it set to switch on when temp rises to 6 degrees and off when it gets down to 2 degrees. I used to have it at 4 degrees and 1 degree to start, but have slowly pushed it out. No detremental effect on contents, but uses less power. Could possibly push top temp out to 7 degrees, but as I have enough
battery power, I have not tried that yet.
So with my Reefer I'm probably getting a similar effect, but with the advantage of control by thermostat. We are looking to get a second fridge soon (probably an Engel), without increasing battery capacity, so the device might have an application there.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:36
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:36
What you say is all correct and yes you do need to give it a bit more "on"time when the weather is hot. At night I ran it at 3 min on and 30 min off without any problem as I don't get up for a beer at 3am any more the lid was shut for 8 hours or so.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:38
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:38
Yes, I think expanding the thermostsat range would do the same thing but at least with the BCS you can positivly control the time "on".
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:15
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:15
Sounds like an idea that works, but it must have limitations since it works on time and not fridge temp. Parked in the sun in northern Australia while you go for a walk to a
Gorge for a few hours, the time set would most likely not be enough.
Raise your dairy, meat etc much above 4 degrees for too long and you migh have trouble.
Is there a simple switch that lets you choose when the BCS is running the show and when you go back to fridge thermostat? You would have to remember to do it, but at least you would have the choice.
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:49
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:49
When your fridge has W amount of food/drink mass at X temperature inside and it is in an ambient of Y degrees it will require Z energy to keep it below 4 deg C – and no box of electronics can change that.
How you choose to deliver that Z energy, providing it done within the cooling time constant of the fridge, won't matter much. What your magic box is doing is replacing the thermostat on the fridge with an on/off control mechanism and is making a guess at the time required during a 35 minute cycle to keep the fridge cool. This method will work but it is a guessing game to find the proportional on/off times in any given situation - it will be different at night to during the day - usually.
To optimise the energy usage of a fridge it really needs a proper PID controller tuned for the current situation (complex and expensive) what, I suspect, most fridge thermostats do is just turn the fridge on when it's above temperature and off when it's below, probably with a bit of hysteresis, this works OK but will use more energy than necessary. If you can determine the optimum time your fridge needs under all conditions (difficult to impossible) with your magic box then you will use less energy otherwise, over the long term, you'll probably use more.
For $150 each maybe I should design a PID controller for 12V fridges?
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Flash - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 21:01
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 21:01
Spot on,
Mike.
You just can't bend the rules of basic Physics, it's that simple really.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 21:06
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 21:06
Agreed - the rules of physics rule - is that a tautology....? :)
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