Battery Current Saver
Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 17:54
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Member - Ian H (NSW)
Hi all,
I bought and fitted a BCS (battery current saver) to our Waeco 80 litre fridge/freezer. Before the BCS I could get about 24 hours from the deep cycle battery but with it fitted I got over 48 hours with the same use last weekend.
The weather was warm to hot but the beer was cold.
It works as a switch to control the running time of the fridge and you set the thermostat to full on so it will run when ever the BCS timer switch allows. It is switched within a period of about 35 min so you can set it for 3 min on and 32 off, 32 min on and 3 min off or anywhere in between.
I found about 8 min on and 27 min off in each period worked
well.
I know there will be the usual negative comments but I am just telling those with an open mind who might like longer battery life without running the engine. I thoroughly recommend the BCS, and no, I don't own the company.
Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 18:05
Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 18:05
And still keeps the beer just as cold?
And the meat doesn't go off?
Best tests I can think off :o)
Sounds good if it does. I just play with the thermostat on my fridge.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 18:49
Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 18:49
You can play with the thermostat if you can mentally trim it but with the BCS it moves between 2 deg and about 6 deg in the fridge but the freezer stays steadier. I put 2 X 2litre frozen water containers in the freezer to simulate frozen meat that we would normally take for a longer trip and that does help with a mass of "cold".
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Reply By: lewjack1 - Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 19:31
Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 19:31
hi ian h,
i have a auto fridge (quirks) and the formula that they use run the fridge is
on(2)) cycle,run all day as needed,setting (7)r two hours a day once
in the morning and one at nite. mind you the way a auto frige works is a bit different to an normal compreser driven fridge although the same bd 35 compresser is used. this also gives you great battery extention
which is problely what this BCS does but i do it manually
lewjack1
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 19:44
Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 19:44
The Autofridge is eutectic and works by storing "cold" in a band around the box while the engine is running so it can be turned off when stopped. But, it will run out of "cold" after a while. The BCS will extend the battery life when used on a normal fridge. Autofridges are great, even if a bit small in volume.
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Reply By: Vince NSW - Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 20:03
Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 20:03
What was the price of the BCS Ian ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 20:35
Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 20:35
Sorry Vince, I should have told all that the price is $150 but to Exploroz people is $130 including postage. Connection is dead easy with only 3 solder joints to do.
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 21:01
Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 21:01
Might like to include where you got it from as
well?
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 21:29
Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 21:29
Pretty lousy salesman I am.
It is available from BCS on 0397968269 or noelex@bigpond.net.au. His name is Fred.
Also, do an archcive
check using "BCS" and there is a post about the WA uni
test that is worth a read.
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Reply By: acdc - Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 22:13
Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 22:13
Ian H,
Sorry but i don't believe it.
It just does'nt make any sense at all, i could be wrong but logic tells me no.
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Follow Up By: Outbacktourer - Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 22:37
Tuesday, Feb 20, 2007 at 22:37
Think of it like starting your car with the alternator disconnected. You start it once every 10 minutes and run it of 5 minutes every hour. Then you start it every 20 minutes and run it for 10 minutes every hour. Which has drained the most from your battery?
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 06:10
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 06:10
No need to apologise, I am only giving you the facts. IT DOES WORK!
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 01:10
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 01:10
PLEASE do not tell people that :-)
I've had one for years, and every time I've said that no this
forum I've been shot to pieces
I'm a believer
Regards Richard
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog - Vic - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:48
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:48
From 24 hours to over 48, you agree with that Richard ?
And also what compressor/s have you tried the device with ?
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 20:49
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 20:49
Sorry Ray I have never tested it, but I do know is that I run it on setting 1-2 when ever we go on long trips eg. 10000km or more.. lol we have never had any problems with the temp of things we use out of the Fridge, mined you we do not take any thing that will go off in a month.
At this setting or even 3 fridge could sit in the back for 2 - 3 days running OK, once the wife (or me) knocked the switch to 10 with fridge setting high battery 8 volts 2 days (another battery) it was dead with in sex months..
Regards
Richard
By the way
Come on Ozie Come on....LOL
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog - Vic - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 21:46
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 21:46
lol, they must have been good months though Richard. Ok I understand you haven't done any testing but it's a gut feeling that it works. The reason I asked about the compressor is because Engel claim an extremely low start surge for the swing compressor.
Hmm, Looks like you endorse Waeco coz everytimes you write the word fridge it comes up as a clickable link. I hope my words don't end up as clickable links because I don't endorse anything without my permission especially Waeco fridges :)
hahah, I reckon the ozzies need a come on alright, they'll get there I'm sure.
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Follow Up By: Mad Dog - Vic - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 21:47
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 21:47
Aint that just so cruel.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 22:24
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 22:24
Yes I still use it and I'm happy with it we have a 21L engel..
It works for us
it's around 6 years old two vehicle's 2 batteries in that time, the first won in the Prado the second in the troopy (auto electy) wired the cut out switched the wrong way, and that was the time it was knocked to 10
and anyway it's only a $150.00 gadget..lol
Richard
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Reply By: Member - Matt M (ACT) - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:27
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 08:27
Ian,
I'm intrigued and want to believe, but I still don't get it. Outbacktourer's analogy would suggest that it the the current draw on start up that accounts for the increased power usage when running the fridge normally. I know that your fridge will draw extra current on start up, but surely not by a similar factor to cranking your engine over? Is it similar to a fluorescent light in that you are better off running it in fewer but longer blocks rather than turning it on and off?
I would have thought that the increased efficiency comes from not keeping the fridge in such a narrow temperature range. It strikes me that, with power usage being a key point of appeal, manufacturers should re-tune their thermostat to give similar results to those you are achieving with the power saver. Or perhaps they see maintaining a certain temp range as being more important?
Do you need to tweak it much in hotter conditions?
I'm not putting it down (your results speak for themselves) just interested to understand why.
Matt.
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:27
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:27
Matt, I'd say you are right. The idea here is to not keep the fridge in such a tight temp range. In itself not too bad as long as you don't push it too far. The thermostat in the fridge is probably more reading the air temp in the fridge. This will vary a lot more than the contents. I'm guessing that you could let the air temp go up to 6 degrees at least without the contents getting above 4 degrees.
My fridge (a Reefer) has a control that lets me adjust switch on and off temps. After some experimenting, I now have it set to switch on when temp rises to 6 degrees and off when it gets down to 2 degrees. I used to have it at 4 degrees and 1 degree to start, but have slowly pushed it out. No detremental effect on contents, but uses less power. Could possibly push top temp out to 7 degrees, but as I have enough
battery power, I have not tried that yet.
So with my Reefer I'm probably getting a similar effect, but with the advantage of control by thermostat. We are looking to get a second fridge soon (probably an Engel), without increasing battery capacity, so the device might have an application there.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:36
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:36
What you say is all correct and yes you do need to give it a bit more "on"time when the weather is hot. At night I ran it at 3 min on and 30 min off without any problem as I don't get up for a beer at 3am any more the lid was shut for 8 hours or so.
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Follow Up By: Member - Ian H (NSW) - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:38
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:38
Yes, I think expanding the thermostsat range would do the same thing but at least with the BCS you can positivly control the time "on".
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:15
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 09:15
Sounds like an idea that works, but it must have limitations since it works on time and not fridge temp. Parked in the sun in northern Australia while you go for a walk to a
Gorge for a few hours, the time set would most likely not be enough.
Raise your dairy, meat etc much above 4 degrees for too long and you migh have trouble.
Is there a simple switch that lets you choose when the BCS is running the show and when you go back to fridge thermostat? You would have to remember to do it, but at least you would have the choice.
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:49
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 17:49
When your fridge has W amount of food/drink mass at X temperature inside and it is in an ambient of Y degrees it will require Z energy to keep it below 4 deg C – and no box of electronics can change that.
How you choose to deliver that Z energy, providing it done within the cooling time constant of the fridge, won't matter much. What your magic box is doing is replacing the thermostat on the fridge with an on/off control mechanism and is making a guess at the time required during a 35 minute cycle to keep the fridge cool. This method will work but it is a guessing game to find the proportional on/off times in any given situation - it will be different at night to during the day - usually.
To optimise the energy usage of a fridge it really needs a proper PID controller tuned for the current situation (complex and expensive) what, I suspect, most fridge thermostats do is just turn the fridge on when it's above temperature and off when it's below, probably with a bit of hysteresis, this works OK but will use more energy than necessary. If you can determine the optimum time your fridge needs under all conditions (difficult to impossible) with your magic box then you will use less energy otherwise, over the long term, you'll probably use more.
For $150 each maybe I should design a PID controller for 12V fridges?
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Flash - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 21:01
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 21:01
Spot on,
Mike.
You just can't bend the rules of basic Physics, it's that simple really.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 21:06
Wednesday, Feb 21, 2007 at 21:06
Agreed - the rules of physics rule - is that a tautology....? :)
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