ELECTRIC MOTOR ...HELP PLEASE
Submitted: Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 12:30
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Flight Sargent
I would like to ask a question of those in the know here. I am looking to use a small electric motor size of a large electric drill for a project im working on. The issue is I need it to be variable speed adjustable standing away from the motor. Can a standard electric drill be wired with a speed regulator or have u any suggestions on what motor I should use. Doesnt need to be a big motor small electric job with the same sort of capacity of a electric drill.
Sorry to be so vague but im an electrical idiot !!
SARGE
Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 12:40
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 12:40
why dont you butcher a variable speed electric drill?
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Follow Up By: Flight Sargent - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 12:49
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 12:49
Yep thats what I was going to do but I need to know if I can attach a variable speed device that will allow me to turn a knob and get constant speed rather than holding the trigger on......
SARGE
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 13:41
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 13:41
yes the right rated potentiometer should do the trick
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Reply By: Peter 2 - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 12:47
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 12:47
Look around for an old execise machine, the walking mat type, they have a variable speed motor that can be used for lots of projects.
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Reply By: Glenn WA - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 12:49
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 12:49
Sarge,
Many moons ago, as an apprentice I built a simple variable speed device into a plastic box. It has a power lead from it and has a small power point on the box with an adjustable potentiometer for speed control.
Works
well on the electric drill, although I hardly use it for anything myself.
Tandy's or Dick Smith may have a kit for this.
But yes, a stand alone VSD is definately possible.
Good luck
Glenn
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Follow Up By: Flight Sargent - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 12:52
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 12:52
Thanks Glenn....is it hard to butcher a drill motor and wire in a VSD. Will it effect the motor can I run it on reasonably low revs without burning it out?
SARGE
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Follow Up By: Footloose - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 13:13
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 13:13
FS, you can just plug the motor into a VSD and control it by varying the 240V input (or whatever voltage you're using.
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Follow Up By: Glenn WA - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 13:20
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 13:20
FS,
Variable Speed Drives are common in the electrical industry, with no ill effects on the motor you are contolling. I once used my little unit on a drill to turn a spit pole around at very low speed for hours, no probs.
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Follow Up By: Flight Sargent - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 14:10
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 14:10
Glenn you are WA so am I where did you get your unit from? Tried the usual suspects dick smith jaycar etc no luck.
SARGE
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 14:14
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 14:14
Almost right Glen.
Heat kills motors. On an ordinary AC motor, if the motor is going slow then the cooling fan is also going slow.
Properly designed systems have a separately wired fan on the end of the motor that runs full speed even when the main drive motor has been slowed down.
Glen was right about the VSD devices. Not much in them, thyristor, resistor speed control pot and a capacitor. But, as mentioned above, if you slow the motor down it looses it's cooling.
How much load will you have on the motor ?
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Follow Up By: Flight Sargent - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 14:21
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 14:21
Hi Kiwi......not much load at all same as would be excerted if drilling through a piece of pine but it will be under load for around 15 - 20 min at a time. I was actually told a dimmer switch wired in line would do the same thing any ideas on that ?
SARGE
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Follow Up By: Kiwi Kia - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 14:37
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 14:37
Yep, that would work but
check the wattage of the dimmer first. Some dimmers are not rated very high (watts). Also, be careful how you wire it up, dimmer will probably be in the black return wire of the circuit and not the switched red feed wire.
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Follow Up By: Glenn WA - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 15:09
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 15:09
Hi Kiwi, You are right.... the old black and decker got really hot (smoke from motor and meat), but at the time we weren't too concerned as long as it kept turning the lamb. The insulation on the motor windings must have been pretty good eh!(dont make them like they used to).
and ....FS... I made my unit as a tech school project, and still works 20 yrs later.
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 15:13
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 15:13
Try the light dimmer if you've got one in the spares box, but also
check out a fan motor speed control (you know, those ceiling fans) which use a zero-crossing commutation of the AC. These work on motors better than the standard lamp dimmers and will prob take the start current of the motor better as
well. Will probably be labelled as a "fan and lamp" control. More expensive tho.
There used to be lots of kits for 240v universal motor speed controllers, but they seem to have dropped off the market these days, prob coz of safety liability issues. Oatley Electronics have a few low voltage controllers, but not what you want. Otherwise there are plenty of published circuits for speed controllers which can be made quite cheaply.
Gerry
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Reply By: Mike Harding - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 15:04
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 15:04
How much speed control do you need? Continuously variable or just two speeds? If the latter a simple diode in the active line and changeover (or shorting) switch will provide two speeds?
As Kiwi said; watch the heat when you slow the motor down - 20 minutes is a _long_ time for a drill motor to run, many may have a problem.
Mike Harding
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Reply By: hoyks - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 16:36
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 16:36
I have a motor out of a 9.6V cordless drill if you want it.
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Follow Up By: hoyks - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 19:27
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 19:27
Actually, I think it is 7.2V.
So why the mystery? What is it for?
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Follow Up By: nissnut - Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 14:48
Sunday, Feb 25, 2007 at 14:48
Winch for a peddle car ?
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Reply By: F4Phantom - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 17:31
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 17:31
Pots are crap, drill resistors wont last. The best way is to go to jaycar/dse and get a pulse width modulator kit for around $10 or $20. You can make it 10 or 20 amp. It uses pot input to change mosfets. This is efficient, reliable and will last a long time. All you need is a soldering iron and half an hour.
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Reply By: Member - Mike_L (SA) - Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 18:48
Saturday, Feb 24, 2007 at 18:48
Here you go, (@ Dick Smith) less than $50.
I have used this kit ant it is a great little unit.
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