gu and 100 series comparison

Submitted: Monday, Apr 07, 2003 at 18:54

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Peter

mate is looking to buy either a gu patrol or 100 series cruiser. has to be petrol and auto. was after some info regarding what to look out for with both models.good and bad. he has sussed out fuel consumption and prices. it wont be doing anything hard offroad so standard setup is fine.
any info i can pass on to him would be appreciated.
as for me i have my old 1984 diesel troopy that scared little children and old people, goes on forever and oddly enough turns head. lol. its all those troopy pheremones.

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Reply By: tristjo - Monday, Apr 07, 2003 at 22:05

Monday, Apr 07, 2003 at 22:05

In my opinion, neither of the old petrol motors in those two cars were oustanding, but both delivered reasonable peformance, at least enough to keep most sane people happy. It really comes down to other parts of the vehicle, and outright purchase price. I would personnally go for the GU, because of the following points: The rear mounted spare wheel is easier to access than the cruisers, and is less prone to damage, and also gives better ground clearance. Also, a 4.5ltr Patrol is alot cheaper than an equivellently aged and specced Cruiser. I also beleive the patrol is stronger in the driveline department, and it is also only a part time four wheel drive, wich means less wear and tear, and better fuel consumption. Dont get me wrong, both are good vehicles, but the Nissan seems to be much better value for money.

IF HE IS LOOKING NEW:
Once again, i would choose the GU over the hundred for the same reasons as above, and these following points: The 4.8ltr Patrol has more power and tourqe than the Toyota, and it also has a rigid front axle, making it very robust, where as the cruiser, from wat i have seen, bottoms out badly in the rough, and could easilly be damaged. Also, the nissan is cheaper to register and insure, with a lower upfront cost.
These are just my thoughts, hoped they have helped.
Tristjo.

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Reply By: Truckster - Monday, Apr 07, 2003 at 22:23

Monday, Apr 07, 2003 at 22:23

Has to be petrol?

Why?

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Follow Up By: Simon - Saturday, Apr 12, 2003 at 18:20

Saturday, Apr 12, 2003 at 18:20

Truckster if you have to ask you wouldnt understand.

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Sunday, Apr 13, 2003 at 09:08

Sunday, Apr 13, 2003 at 09:08

Your mate wants to go broke?

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Follow Up By: Simon - Sunday, Apr 13, 2003 at 09:37

Sunday, Apr 13, 2003 at 09:37

You only go broke paying an extra $14000 for a diesel 100 series.
$14k buys me enough fuel for 4/5 years. the non turbo is not in the market as far as power gos, same as the Nissan turbos, they are fine if you want one but if you need some power they cant deliver.
I know not everyone wants power but some of us do, simple as that.
If you do lots of km I agree itl cost you a lot to run a petrol but if like me you only do20k a year running costs are not an issue.
(Ive heard that turbos and air flow meters are a bigger cost issue on the 3ltdi Nissans than fuel ever would be)

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Follow Up By: Member - Peter [SA] - Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 15:59

Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 15:59

Simon, If you really want POWER, you are wasting your time buying ANY sensible 4WD. Although the F250 with the 6 or 7lt diesel is certainly not lacking in power and still cheaper to run than any petrol Nissan or Toyota 4WD

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 16:06

Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 16:06

Thats only if your paying top $$ for a car thats over priced to start with too..

if moneys no object, get a 2.8 GU, throw away the crap 2.8 and put a 6.5 TD IC Chev V8 in there. Then you will have power.

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Follow Up By: Member - Peter [SA] - Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 22:05

Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 22:05

insurance could be a problem truckster,but i like your idea

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Follow Up By: Simon - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 14:23

Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 14:23

Peter,

did you know that a 4.5l petrol Cruiser has nearly double the hp of the diesel?

AND produces more torque at IDLE than the diesel can muster at peak?

Sure you pay for it at the pump but I think its cheap for what I do

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Follow Up By: Member - Peter [SA] - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 21:02

Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 21:02

Yeah, all that torque comes in handy while you are IDLING at the lights.

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Follow Up By: Simon - Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 11:22

Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 11:22

As I said, anyone who has to ask just wouldnt understand.

yes Peter, my petrol cruiser would use heaps more petol at the ligfhts than yours????????????????
But I think I can afford the36 cents a week!
Can I ask why people like you have to knock other peoples choices?
A question was asked about 2 petrol 4x4s and some people seem to respond as if anyone who drives a petrol is a retard or something.

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Reply By: Michael - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2003 at 16:46

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2003 at 16:46

Pheromones........ I think the injectors need doing LOL :)

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Reply By: Member - diamond(bendigo) - Tuesday, Apr 08, 2003 at 22:18

Tuesday, Apr 08, 2003 at 22:18

try to convince your mate to go diesel then get a late model 3lt patrollooking foward to easter at jamieson

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Reply By: Simon - Saturday, Apr 12, 2003 at 18:18

Saturday, Apr 12, 2003 at 18:18

I have a 4.5 Auto 100series and I like it but Iwould have rather had a 4.8 Patrol. (I dont like my local Nissan dealer is why I got the Cruiser)
Realy it just boils down to personal preference, drive both neither will let you down.

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Follow Up By: Member - Peter [SA] - Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 16:01

Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 16:01

my non turbo 100 series diesel has never let me down or got me somewhere i couldnt get out of because of lack of power!

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 22:19

Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 22:19

So you buy a car thats not what you want cause the dealer sucks?

Freeby Tip for the day: Goto another Nissan Dealer.

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Follow Up By: Simon - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 09:23

Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 09:23

Not everybody lives in the big City Truckster, why should I travel 100s of km to get my vehicle serviced for no reason?

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Follow Up By: Simon - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 14:18

Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 14:18

Peter,

you obviusly need to get out more.

Im sorry mate but your diesel probly goes everywhere you want it to but Ive seen what they are capable of in sand (hills) and my money stays on the petrol.
Anywhere else they are fine, (as long as your not in a hurry) but without the turbo I personaly wouldnt tow with one.

Horses for courses realy.

I talked my brother in law into a Nissan 3l tdi and now he hates me
(cars ok when its going)

I just dont understand why some people have to knock everything they dont understand.

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Follow Up By: Member - Peter [SA] - Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 19:35

Tuesday, May 06, 2003 at 19:35

Simon,
I dont want to enter a slinging match but have you really seen what a diesel cruiser can really do in sand or only what an incompetant driver can do in one. I have done a lot of sand driving and with correct tyre pressures and gear selection have never found any sand i couldnt traverse, including Big Red, Robe dunes system and many other areas. Having an excess of power can actually get you bogged or stuck a lot worse than being a little underpowered. In sand you have the ability to really bog yourself much deeper.
What more can i say, you "talked your bro in law into buying a 3.0lt tdi, no wonder he hates you, hopefully not from the dealer that sucks!
Must agree with you, not flash for towing in the rough stuff, but i can still cruise effortlessly on the speed limit.
Cheers Peter

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 11:27

Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 11:27

I need to get out more? ROTF!...

If you think that diesels dont go well in sand, your head has been buried too deep in sand more than once.....

Ive been everywhere and more than a mates petrol.

Again if you have a woody for power, then dont bother with any 4wd engine, go a Chev.. You will have power and better economy than the Yota or Patrol engine.

theres a test on both in latest Toytoa MOnthly mag, and the 4.8 patrol wins

BUT they were getting 47-54ltrs/100klms low range sand... thats a little more than 36cents worse than a diesel....

I'll take my diesel and keep going thanks!

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Follow Up By: Simon - Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 11:32

Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 11:32

I have seen what they can do Peter, Ive travelled extensively with 2 100 series, 1 petrol, i diesel.
I bought a petrol.
I made an informed descicion that was right for me.

Im not knocking your car why do you have to knock mine?

Next time your in Robe give me a hoy and Ill show you excactly what the difference between the two is

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Follow Up By: Simon - Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 13:25

Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 13:25

Truckster,

you dont like people do you?

You obviously spend a lot of time pushing your opinion on others in cyberspace, is that because you have trouble fitting in in the real world?

If you cant afford petrol DONT BUY ONE!
Just dont knock others that do.
It shows your an egotistical, arrogant, ignorant, inconsiderate fool who lacks the ability to learn from your own and others mistakes.
You obviuosly know everything and everyone else is wrong.

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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 13:53

Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 13:53

Simon, you can tell I dont like people.. Good on ya. My care factor on what you think is less than zero.

LOL Cant afford a petrol, anyone who can afford that sort of consumption has no brains. 54ltrs per 100klms is obscene.. not even worth considering.

I wouldn't buy a Petrol, doesnt suit the 4wding I do, plus why have all the problems of Electrics and water when you dont have to? Im happy with my under 20ltr /100 low range going thru Robe sand, Kurnell Sand, Desert Sand without problem, passing that poor sap with 20 Jerrys on the back of his 54l/100klm car...

LOL, Im refusing to learn from others Mistakes? Ive learnt from others, thats *why* I got a Diesel.

Why do you think 90% of people on this thread have said go with diesel? Do you think they have shares in Diesel sales? No they have EXPERIENCE... so now who is the egotistical, arrogant, ignorant, inconsiderate fool who lacks the ability to learn from your own and others Experience?

You would have me mistaken with OziExplorer.

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Reply By: Allan - Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 07:24

Saturday, May 03, 2003 at 07:24

The rear doors on the GU patrol are pathetic. They only open to 90 deg and that makes access a lot tighter than a barn door Cruiser. If you've got a trailer on then rear access is nearly dangerous.
The aux battery holder is a non event cos of the miserable strength of the engine bay material combined with corugated roads and the fact that the battery sits about 120mm from the wall.
Also the after market snorkels are of limited use for their inability to seal out water due to the square shape of the air filter inlet and the way the air spinner just presses against the wall.
Also no accessory power box under the bonnet.

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Reply By: Member - Peter [SA] - Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 20:27

Wednesday, May 07, 2003 at 20:27

Simon,
I fail to see where i am "knocking" other peoples choices, i am merely offering an informed opinion, on the contrary you appear to be knocking the diesel quite loudly. Any way i think we will have to agree to disagree,but in your own words "Really it just boils down to personal preferences, drive both NEITHER will let you down"

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