Towing

Submitted: Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 16:56
ThreadID: 42721 Views:2813 Replies:9 FollowUps:3
This Thread has been Archived
I'm about to order a 21' Bushtracker fully intending to make use of the off road capabilities it has. I'd be interested to know peoples thoughts on the best all round towing vehicle. Thx.
Back Expand Un-Read 0 Moderator

Reply By: Member - Toolman (VIC) - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 17:09

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 17:09
John,
I met a couple in Winton who towed a 26ft Bushtracker with an F250 7.3 litre diesel which was naturally aspirated I think. Either way it was a beautiful set up and the owner was very happy with his lot. The Bushtracker is quite a heavy van as I recall so you'd be looking at something pretty serious as a tow vehicle. 4.2 litre Nissan or Landcruiser would be my minimum size

Tom
AnswerID: 224100

Reply By: Members - Bow - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 17:16

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 17:16
New V8 Diesel Landcruiser only way to go.
Plenty of information on the BushtrackersOwnersgroup
AnswerID: 224102

Reply By: _gmd_pps - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 17:48

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 17:48
I tow a 21' boat and eventually on a custom trailer (working on it) with water and petrol tanks (total weight around 3T). The BT will be around 2.4-2.8 I guess depending what you put in ..

I would not go below an F-truck .. Chevy, Dodge, GMC can be imported easy enough and give you all the comfort and safety and are all superior to the ancient Ford technology.

on top of the boat we have an 18' slide-on loaded so we opted for a dually which
is much more stable when towing and can take the load ..

When you tow the van a decent size pick up will give you more space for boxes, ATV, Trail bike or other toys ...

If you need info on vehicle import you can get in contact with me and I can point you in the right direction.

good luck
gmd
AnswerID: 224110

Reply By: Member - Colin (WA) - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 18:03

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 18:03
Hi John,
Friends of ours have a 21 ft BT they tow it with 05 Landcruiser with the dtronic chip ,400kg rated springs and polyair bags. They are right on the legal towing (3000 kg)weight as well as ball weight (350 kg) Mate says most of the time he is over legal towing weight but the cruiser handles it fine. The worst economy was 24.5L/100km best 19L/100km. They are talking of selling it as they cannot get to a lot of the places they want to go (weight ,height width & length etc) if it's corrugated roads they have no problems.
Best of luck
Col
AnswerID: 224113

Reply By: Bilbo - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 18:30

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 18:30
Colin,

Though it's perhaps too late for John 27, I agree entirely with your reasons for NOT buying a Bushtracker. I thought long 'n hard about 'em as I really do like 'em and I had the money.

But all that weight when doing hard bush work is a PIA. They are a great van, no doubt about it, but for me doing a lot of offroad stuff, they're just too big 'n heavy.

But as said above, I'd go an "F" truck at least. A 100 Series TD would do it as well, but even a Nissan 3 litre would be stressed and the 4.2 Nissan would be a bit sluggish.

JMHO

Bilbo
AnswerID: 224123

Follow Up By: TroopyTracker - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 20:02

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 20:02
Bilbo,

No doubt BT's can be heavy, but you've got to compare apples with apples. Did you compare the weight of your supreme to an 11ft 6 BT? Line up any off road van of equal size, with same level of gear and the difference is not worth thinking about. I've never seen a BT under 14ft anyway?

Here's a post from a while back comparing the two. Site Link

Here's the main bit I was referring to anyway.

"The weight point re BTs is a complete furfy. The posters above recite the common mantra that BTs are much heavier. So did the Supreme Getaway salesman we spoke to - until we pointed out that his lower-specced van was heavier than the comparable BT. Ditto the Phoenix - same weight as BT but more dollars to build the comparable spec. No doubt both great vans and I'm not bagging either, but don't be misled by the false legend that BTs are somehow much heavier than any comparable van. I had one guy posting at me that an 18' BT weighs 2900kg whereas his competing product was vastly lighter at only 2400kg. The BT I am buying weighs 2400kg. There is a huge amount of misinformation about this on the web including in this forum. "

Couldn't say it better myself, only to add Kedron to the list of just as heavy (heavier in my experiance) as the BT's.

Nothing personal, just read similar posts regularly.

Matt
0
FollowupID: 485002

Follow Up By: Bilbo - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 23:32

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 23:32
Matt,

You make a good point about weights of Bushtrackers vs other makes.

However, as you can see, I replied with my thoughts from my perspective based on what I wanted from an offroad van. If people could go through some of the rough, hard, rocky, creeks and breakways, day after day, week in week out that I have to go through to pursue my "hobby", they'd certainly choose something a bit smaller and a bit lighter. Remember, I don't just use this for holiday and weekend stuff. I live amongst this type of country 6 months a year. A heavy Bushtracker or heavy anything else is no good to ME, but it may everything to other people.

As you say,",,,I've never seen a BT under 14ft anyway?,,,,"

If there was such a thing I would prolly have bought one.

Bilbo
0
FollowupID: 485075

Reply By: TroopyTracker - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 20:15

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 20:15
John,

Off road? What does that mean for you? If you mean corrugated dirt highways then no doubt the F truck size/power would be best. If you mean crawling around tight bush tracks then in my opinion a cruiser size would be better-new V8 if you can wait. The extra power of the big utes wouldn't be of much use at 5kmph. The extra weight on each corner and wider turning circle is what makes me say this.

In low 1st, lockers engaged if you want to be sure, unlikely to have much trouble crawling around the place. Your biggest restriction will be the height and length of your 21 foot van. I'm not talking about tuff truck challenge tracks here, towing 3+ tonne 21ft caravan around the scrub is always going to hold you back in comparison to someone towing a camper or a true off road sized van ie. 12, 13ft max. Having said that, the faces of people when you pull into a campsite that requires traversing a fairly rough, tight track makes it worth it ;-) With some common sense (never understood that term) and patience you can get your off road penthouse to some great spots.

Cheers
Matt
AnswerID: 224152

Follow Up By: John27 - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 21:04

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 21:04
So much info. thx to Matt & all. I feel reassured that I've selected the right van if not the right length. Might have another think and drop to a 19 or 20 foot with a LC100 TD.
0
FollowupID: 485025

Reply By: Member - Bob-h(QLD) - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 21:35

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 21:35
John
If you're on the schedule at BT, you are eligible to join the Bushtracker Owners Group (BOG). www.bushtrackerownersgroup.asn.au
Just today Steve Gibbs from BT posted a discussion on tow vehicles. A lot of people are using Land Cruisers , my BT is 18ft, using a 100 series turbo diesel with no problems. We have travelled extensively through Tasmania and Central Australia/Oodnadatta Track/GRR/Great Central Road, some with friends driving a 100series V8/22ft BT... their fuel consumption was understandably much higher than ours. I average about 20litres/100km with the BT on.
Cheers
Bob
AnswerID: 224172

Reply By: Motherhen - Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 22:45

Monday, Feb 26, 2007 at 22:45
I agree with _gmd_pps. For a 21 footer with all the stuff you will add and pack, you would be better to choose and F250, Chev or similar. As for comments about length and being able to get into places - with a 21' anything towed with anything, you will have limitations. Set up for overnight camping on the back of the Effy or whatever you get, and get into even more places. As others here have said, any soundly built caravan will be heavy (and more room to take more gear too); particularly if over 20'.

By the way, we tow our 18' BT with a 3 litre td auto Patrol.
Motherhen

Red desert dreaming

Lifetime Member
My Profile  My Blog  Send Message

AnswerID: 224206

Reply By: Gronk - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:36

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:36
21 footer ?? How many kids do you have ?? Or does it come with a home theatre ?? Do you really want to go off road or just want the ability to go on dirt roads ??

16 or 17 foot is a far more managable size for getting off road as well as for a tow 4x4 as well. While a f250 is a good truck for some it is not an off road vehicle, but depends on what your idea of off road is ...
AnswerID: 224278

Sponsored Links