3.0 Nissan Patrol

Submitted: Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:37
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Morning all,
We are looking at buying a current model Nissan and wondering if possible what modifications have people had done to give them a little more HP. 3L or the 4.2L

Nice 4b to drive just lacking a little I think!

Cheers
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Reply By: Rock Crawler - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:42

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 07:42
the 3L i smuch nicer to drive than the 4.2 in the 2005 GU4 . I find the 4.2 a slug
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Reply By: roosey - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 08:31

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 08:31
Milzi,
We pull a 22' full caravn with our 3L. Absolutley no complaints, goes like .... off a shovel. Sure you'll find it lacks nothing.

Cheers
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Reply By: PhilZD30Patrol - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 08:51

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 08:51
Hi milzi

Go automatic. My 4th 4wby in 25 years is a Patrol 3 litre TD Automatic and I would never go back to a manual.

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Patrol_Driver - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:50

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:50
I agree! I've found the auto box to be better in almost all situations except going down a steep hill. The manual has a much lower geared 1st in low range.
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Reply By: Patrol_Driver - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:21

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:21
Hi milzi,

This is my 2nd 3.0L (2006 ST-L) in 5 years as I lease my cars through my company. I drove it around for about 2 months during which time I did a few steep offroad trips. I found it lacked power under 2000rpm which became quite frustrating at times, it required me to take longer run-ups than I thought was necessary. I eventually put a Steinbauer chip in it and now it is a completely different car, I love it :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - TonyG (Qld) - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:42

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:42
Hi,

I put the same chip in my 3L Patrol, and it has turned into a rocket ship (comapred to previous).

I can not believe that the engine would be detuned so much to meet emission standards

Thanks

TonyG
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Follow Up By: PhilZD30Patrol - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:20

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:20
Hi Patrol_Driver

Re: Automatic down hill engine braking

I use the hand brake to steady the speed when locked in low low down hills.

It works well as it is a drum brake onto the drive shaft hence it gives even braking to all wheels.

The hand brake linings are easy to replace and should be cheap enough (non-genuine) as they are tiny. The linings have not worn out yet, maybe this is a sign that I need to take more sickies and head for the hills more often.

Cheers
Phil
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Follow Up By: Patrol_Driver - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:28

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:28
Hi Phil,

I used to do that on my Pajero when descending, but someone told me that I shouldn't do that on a Patrol as it has a transmission park brake, I never asked why and I've never applied the park brake down a hill..now I wished I had asked for the reason. Obviously works for you, might give it a go next time I'm staring down a steep hill.
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Follow Up By: PhilZD30Patrol - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 12:37

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 12:37
Because the hand brake drum is on the shaft immediately behind the transfer case it could be called a transmission brake because it is not a wheel brake.

This does not mean that it will cause any transmission failure if it is pulled on while moving. It will get very hot of course so use it with care, but any damage would be insignificant compared to the potential damage to life and vehicle from loosing control on a very steep hill.

Happy 4wding
Phil
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 13:25

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 13:25
Hmmmm - interesting - if I may enquire, cost all up of Steinbauer chipping ?
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Follow Up By: Robin - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 13:50

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 13:50
Some of the early (think hi-luxes maybe 60 series) had a very small transmission brake and would overheat easily used downhill.

One vehicle with us once had a small fire around transmission brake area caused by such use.

Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Patrol_Driver - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 16:00

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 16:00
The steinbauer cost me $1300 fitted.
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Follow Up By: the nugget - Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 21:00

Wednesday, Feb 28, 2007 at 21:00
Hi Milzi,
Have same problem with my 2005 3.0L Could you explain what the Steinbauer chip is please and cost. Something new to me.
Cheers,
The Nugget.
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Reply By: sastra - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:53

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 09:53
So now with the chip the 3l stillmeets the emission standards?
If not, should we still go ahead with the light bulb changeover?
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Reply By: Robin - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:20

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:20
Hi Miliz

Went 4800 for those reasons.

You may need to go a little deeper into your requirements to come up with
the right answer for you.

Both 3 & 4.2 have readily available after market power up possibilites.
Friends have done these things to both, and they do get more power at a cost.

The current model is also a fraction slower than the previous model.

I'd first wait a few weeks to see what the new 3lt variation brings.

They are terribly slow cars standard with 3lt approx 16secs to 100kmh and 4.2 20+ , over the petrols 11 sec.

When talking "lack of power" we have to be careful by just what we mean.

If one means the practical ease of keeping up with traffic around town
then you really need to go for the auto 3lt, as manual requires a lot of gear
changing.

If instead you mean "speed achieveable" pulling a van up a hill then the
manual 3lt has a significant edge because its engine has more torque than
the manual and also significantly less losses in the gearbox.

Robin Miller
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Follow Up By: Truckster (Vic) - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 13:05

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 13:05
>> They are terribly slow cars standard with 3lt approx 16secs to 100kmh and 4.2 20+ , over the petrols 11 sec.

They are 2+ ton 4wds .. you dont buy them to worry about 0-100 times...
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Follow Up By: Robin - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 13:42

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 13:42
Hi Bruce

Certainly not race cars but I think adequate power is needed just to be safe on the roads, and also is required in some bush/4wding situations.

Robin Miller


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Reply By: milzi - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:55

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 10:55
Did putting in the Steinbauer chip Cause any hassels with Warranty etc?

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Patrol_Driver - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:05

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:05
I'll tell you when I need to make a warranty claim! :-)

I got the Steinbauer because it comes in after the ECU so it can't be logged and has the factory plugs for the fuel pump so it can be disconnected without any evidence of having been on the car. Took the mechanic 10 minutes to fit the plugs and zip lock the unit in the engine bay.

Another reason I got the Steinbauer is that it doesn't modify the input signal to the ECU so if something is wrong, the ECU will see the correct signal.
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Follow Up By: milzi - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:10

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 11:10
Good stuff!
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Reply By: TripleC - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 13:44

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 13:44
Hi All,

I'm also in a position to be looking to change 4by's under novated lease, and was thinking to move into a Patrol. I have been trying to get info from Nissan dealers regarding a new release, but they are very tight lipped. What I have heard through the grapevine is they are planning to not bring in any more 4.2lt. The rumblings are both the 3.0lt & 4.2lt will be replaced (They have the motors already), but the body/specs are still pending. One dealer said they were hopeful to find out some indication of their direction in the next few weeks.

If anyone else has any info on the new model(s), please let me know, as I need to know if I have to order another make, or try to hold out a bit longer if there is one coming.

Cheers,

Craig
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Follow Up By: Peter McG (Member, Melbourne) - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 15:41

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 15:41
Same body with common rail injection on the 3l motor. No more power or torque I'm told. If you can fid a 4.2 buy it.

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Follow Up By: Wayne-o - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 16:55

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 16:55
ill sell ya my 4.2 iTD for $20,000,000.00.........................maybe!
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Follow Up By: Teabag (Queanbeyan) - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 20:36

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 20:36
Wayne-o,

I'm with you, lucky I bought mine when I did......Though I may undercut you a little...TIC
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Reply By: Teabag (Queanbeyan) - Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 20:35

Tuesday, Feb 27, 2007 at 20:35
Mate,

Both are great vehicles but for my money I went the 4.2 for the main reason of towing. This doesn't mean the 3lt can't handle towing but I believe the 4.2 is better for this purpose.....Shame you can't get the 4.2 in Auto then it would be even better.....If you do choose a 4.2 get a diesel specialist to check it's timing, the difference it made to mine was amazing......Timing was way out and I believe this is quite common....Good luck with whatever you choose......
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