putting a 6.5 Turbo Chev V8 in a patrol gu

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Linquip.com.au

PS: My husband still has a yearning for the F250 as is at present searching the web. They've gone UP in price since new now no more coming in.

Motherhen, Coffey Ford in Dandenong bought every remaining F250 from Ford when the stop was announced.

Don't know how many they have left, but may be your best option.

Tell em I sent you (Karl's dad) and they'll maybe charge you more !!!!!

thanks motherhen did not relise you were in wa for some reason thought you were in victoria
hey there has been some real bad press about the big f250 waranty hassles and mech probs big time as they are built in brazil and are a victim of the emission laws as is the nissan 4.32 that why no more coming in
me i am thinking of keeping my low kms nissan 3.0 gu with all its bells and whistles and drop a chev v8 and auto tranny in and still have lots of change left over compared to trading up to a new 4.2 toyo TD about $40K or a 2nd hand low kms f250 about $50K - still looking hard at the bushtracker 16 as have sort of gone a bit off the supreme getaway at this time as they appear to have there share of warranty issues and was quoted $ 64 k new which steadied me up a bit as do the bushtracker prices
thansk and see you greg

Thanks for the tip Gerhardp1 - their listing appeared to be 2wds. There are a number being advertised in various places - at a big premium to what we could have got them new a couple of years ago!

Greg, putting a v8 in the Patrol is certainly a much cheaper alternative to buying an F250. There is a big hole in the heavy caravan tow vehicle market without the F250. The only other alternative is would consider is a 4.2 litre TD Landcruiser; be it Troopy, Ute or wagon. Even then not the same towing and weight carrying capacity as the F250. Other light trucks do not have the comfort of ride we need. Otherwise we can wait for the v8 diesel cruiser and see what it is like.

Motherhen

mate you really are a total DH and you obviously dont own a patrol 3.0 L TD and almost certainly never have
how old are you about 10 with an IQ of about 20 - so wait until you grow up and in the meantime go somewhere else to play hey
greg gu

jd i really think he is some stupid kid to be honest playing juvenille games
that rediculous previous response he sent to you indicated a pretty juvenille mind and he really did not know what he was on about - nor did anyone else of course
thats the one true prob with this site you dont know who or what is on the other end of the keyboard when you get a response and a 10 year old kid can pretend to be an expert - 90% of the time decent good sane sensible people respond but 10 % of the time its something else
see you greg

You're just trying to make me feel bad, aren't ya!

Ya won't succeed !~!

It does 13.2litres/100km and getting better all the time. It'll run on bio-diesel without any hassle, it'll run on anything being a MIL-Spec motor. It costs about $350.00 a year to service it. It hasn't got a 'variable vane hair dryer" on it, it hasn't got a "variable electronic brain" either, it costs me less to insure than my previous 100 series TD Landcruiser, parts are dirt cheap fron the USA, they don't go BAANNNGG!!! on numbers one, two, three or four pistons, it just "rumbles" on all 8 pistons, it doesn't need 564 different after market guages to tell me it's running to hot, too cold, too much boost, too much fuel, too much headwind, too little headwind or just simply having an "off day", it'll pull a brick schitthouse down at tickover, I don't have to deal with Nissan's Waranty Department, resale value is not an issue - I'll keep it until Nissan or Toyota come up with something to beat it at the same price - or I die, one phone call to Nissan or Toyota and you might get yer parts delivered to the nearest town to "nowhere" in about a month - EX Japan! and you'll need a second mortgage to pay for 'em,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and so and so on and so on.

,,,,,,,,,,and as mucxh I love TD42 engines, it's "no- contest" as far as I'm concerned.

Leave it alone Truckster, you'll never win,,,,,,,

;)

Hows that intercooler experiment coimg along?

Bilbo - "The fun lovin', yeeee haah, V8 Hobbit,,,,,,whooh hooh, hoogah, hoogah!!"

Bilbo, all very thought-provoking but left me with some questions, is yours an auto? Is the 13.2 l/100 for country, city, towing? Also, do you need to certify conversion - when I hear 4.2 Nissan and f250's stopped due to emission controls I wondered whether or not the Chevy conversion is legal? JD

PS I wish you could post a .wav/mp3 file here so I could hear one of those v8 diesels!

thanks truckster dont really disagree with you mate and have not ruled out a 4.2 conversion with an auto tranny if we go to to a supreme getawy 14 foot off road van - but then we may go up to a bushtracker 16 off roader and if we do that then the big chevy may be the way to go - bloody heavy but really indestructable gear that bustracker
see you greg
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bilbo - really like what you have done mate and it certainly works for you and thinking of following your lead except will go with a slightly bigger 15 ft getawy van if we do go that way
thanks and see you greg
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jd me thinks the conversion is probably ok as its only the car maufactiurers that have to meet the emission controls - about a third of aus cars being driven today dont meet them any way
see you greg

Greg
I use to do vehicle certification work. The general rule is that a vehicle must meet the ADR's requirements in place at the time of manufacture of that car i.e. OEM, so cars manufactured before about 1973 didn't have to have seat belts etc.... (used to be the case anyway) . I don't know current rules about a part upgrade and they probably vary state by state anyway. But even if you just had to have a motor comply with rules in place when the vehicle was manufactured, then you'd have to prove the motor complied, which in itself can be a major exercise if a manufacturer (chev in this case) hadn't already done that. Lots of potential for fun and games. JD

The Chev engines have the emissions sticker for the US on the LH rocker cover usually. When fitted here in Oz they have to comply with the emissions laws for that vehicles date of manufacture.
Most of the 6.5's fitted in Oz have a mechanical injection pump which may not comply with current laws but would be ok for an older vehicle. The later ones which are electronically controlled would be ok for current use.
Our rules as far as emissions for diesels have until recently been behind the rest of the world especially California.

I think the conversion would need to comply with current requirements, not that in force when the vehicle was made. I know when my son put the 5 litre V8 Chevy motor in his Hilux, he had issues with getting it compliant. At first they wanted him to put it on 100% gas to meet emission levels, but eventually he was allowed to have it dual fuel.

JD - It's a manual. The quoted figure is around town driving, Best I've had so far is 12.43 litres per 100 km. Fully loaded, towing over 2 tonne it does around 15.5 to 16.0 litres/per 100 km. This compares favourably with a TD42 or a ZD30, without any slowing down on long hills which I often clear in 5th gear without changing down to 4th. (Mind you the “hills” in WA aren’t that steep – just long). I do tned to run hard and fast when going bush. I don't spare the horses.

Y’all worry too much. This thing is legal. It’s engineer certified by Brunswicks when the engine is fitted. Brunswick Diesels have been doing this conversion for over 15 years. If it wasn’t legal the authorities would shut ‘em down. There are over 7000 of these in “Oz”. Will it be legal in the future? The question has been answered above – retrospectivity doesn’t apply. If it did, they’d be taking a lot of other vehicles off the road as well, older Landcruisers, old TD42s, old Falcons etc,,,,,,,,,,,,no ZD30s though, they won’t last that long! ;)

Anyway, put a tank of Biodiesel in it and it'll pass any emssions test,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Honestly, Australia is becoming a nation of "worry warts" that prides itself on it's "anti-authoritarion" image. It's a myth. We're becoming an international joke as the most obedient nation in the world!

"I'm worried about this law, that law, the other bloody law". All made by a shiny-arse in Canberra so that he can justify his pension and most of which they can't police or enforce anyway.

I LIKE MY V8! I'M KEEPING MY V8! MY V8 IS LEGAL! RUN IT ON BIO-D AND IT"LL BE CLEANER THAN TOYOTA PRIUS,,,,,,,,,,,,,there, I've shouted it from the rooftops!

To all the knockers - If ya don't want one, don't buy one, but don't try and take mine off me while you're poncing around in yer crippled 3.0 litre ZD30 and worrying if it's gonna make it home after work or your 4.2 that might not make it up the next hill with the caravan on the back!

For God’s Sake Australia, go out and have some fun before the buggers make that ILLEGAL as well!

Bilbo - "Got out the wrong side of bed and my computer is behaving badly hobbit"

jd
i will bow to your superior knowledge re the legality of the chev converson as i dont really know and just because it is being done in aus dont necessarilly make it legal of course - buyer beware i would suspect
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hey bilbo - have a beer mate we dont want to take your V8 diesel off you - we all want one as well and hey mate leave the little zd 30 alone it really does its job for us poor misgiuided souls that have it - truckster is bad enough without you starting a rant as well
see you greg

Bilbo
Ditto what Greg said. I don't want to take your chariot off the road mate - was just asking the question. What Peter has said really puts the whole thing in perspective - all sounds pretty feasible. Yeah I could be a worry wart - but I don't want to be 2000km from home and get taken off the road (thinking back to that crazy case where a l/cruiser taken off the road in Qld cos it didn't have the 3rd row seats). Anyway, been a very interesting post. Regards all JD

Motherhen,

Your comments about your son's Chev V8 - the experts on vehicle certifcation are right. The relevant regs are the ones that apllied when the engine and/or truck was manufactured - not those applying when the vehicle is being compliance plated or re-registered.

The authorities that tried to refuse your son probably didn't know or didn't care. See what I mean about those "shinyarses"? They make it up as they go along.

OR, and this is prolly more the case, the authorities didn't wan't see a young man in a relatively light weight vehicle such as a Hilux with hunking great Chev V8 petrol motor in it. So they knocked him back on spurious grounds - until he insisted. The same thing happened with my nephew and a Holden V8 ute some years ago. The local police eventually hounded him off the road even though he'd done nothing wrong.

That's another thing that shinyarses do - hound you because THEY don't like it, even though there's no actual law against it.

And WE beleive this crap and take it as gospel and stay home trembling for fear of being caught for something we didn't do!

1984 anyone?

Bilbo - "The rebel hobbit"

Just on the subject of emissions......my 6.5 Chevvy runs on LPG injenction and when the NSWRTA people did the pollution test, it passed with flying colours, going by the paperwork I inherited when I bought the beast.

Mine uses about 15L/100klm, but I'm still in the early stages of collating figures, so don't take too much notice of that one.

Just spent most of the day installing new 4WD Systems 80 litre sub tank. Can't fill it up yet cos I need to buy a new length of 16mm breather hose. The oe one was too fiddly to fit.

yes mother hen mine is an auto and at this time we tow a KK classic mariner with a tinney on top when loaded up weighs in at 1500 kgs and the 3.0 does it ok - never been bogged yet touch wood but have a few bells and whistles to help - dtronic, front air locker, rear air bags, ox electric winch etc and we did the cape last year old track with very full creeks and rough as gut crossings etc but yes it was at its very limit more than once particularly palm and gunshot creeks
i like autos as bit of a dicey knees from too much rugby a lifetime ago and heavy clutches cause me knee issues
if you drop a 4.2 in which is not a bad idea you will need a new auto box for sure and dont forget the overheating issues when towing heavy gear so bigger radiator oil cooler etc
bloody nissan why the hell did they not release the 4.2 in Aus with an auto a few year back and we would all have one - they had one available
yes your right not much around for heavy off road towing - toyo 4.2 autu quote was close to $70 K last year without any of my bells and whistles and f250 quote was close $80K last year for a dual cab nery basic - i chickened out
as my 2004 patrol 3.0 has low kms of 35K kms and probably wont put a hell of lot more on it as work are just providing me with a 3.0td rodeo dual cab to play with i will probabaly drop the chevy in with an auto in a couple of years when semi retire will see how it stacks up then - but truckster is pretty right really expensive to run and resale value way down when wish to move it on - but i can afford that change over and i am not sure i can afford a new toy 4.2 or 2nd hand f250 and we will move up to a 15 to 16 ft genuine off road caravan at that time
my best greg

Hi Greg - We got the Patrol before the Bushtracker; my husband wanted an auto (going deaf and a dodgy foot), and i wanted diesel, so the 3 litre was the only option. We went to Perth with the petrol Patrol our son had purchased (unseen) second hand and we had it for a while as he is in the Pilbara, going to look at a 4wd Winnebago, but it was unsuitable. We found the Patrol so comfortable for our backs, that we called into a Nissan car yard nearby and saw a 3 litre auto that had just been traded ex government, with extras like large fuel tank, heavy duty rear suspension for towing, dual spares, etc on around 50,000 kms so we bought it.

We got the pre-loved 18' Bushtracker a year later, and a 2,200 tare, when loaded, it would be at a guess (and with a 2,500 towing limit on the auto patrol, i really don't like doing any guesstimation), we could be adding up to a tonne including water, gas, spare tyres, batteries, generator in box with fuel, equipment, clothing, food, books (husband is an avid reader, and i have a few big travel reference books) etc etc. Previous owners towed it with a 4.2 litre Patrol.

The Patrol does well, but just a couple of times, from a standing start at the base of a very steep road, there has been nothing extra and we've just crawled up. Had we known what was ahead, putting it into low range would have been a good idea, but when touring, you don't know what you are in for. On our second trip with the BT, it took us safely and successfully 19,000 including around Tasmania. We have an EGT gauge and boost gauge to ensure we don't stress it unduly. It is now on 125,000 kms and we are hoping to get a few longer trips in during the next few years or so, so are looking a other options.

Our sons still tell us to steer clear of the afore mentioned 6.5 Chev conversion company, and my husband still hankers after an F250. A year or so ago, just as they stopped importing F250s, new ones were going for $79 - 80,000 - we couldn't afford it at the time (darn - we should have got one then). Now second hand ones a year or two old are being advertised between $90,000 and $100,000 or so! Way way above Red Book figures. There aren't that many recent model turbo diesel Cruisers advertised at the moment either. The v8 diesel Cruisers will no doubt be pretty pricey when they hit the market. A conversion of our existing Patrol, which we have set up to suit us, would be cheaper, but we are still unsure. Downgrading to a lighter caravan is certainly not on the agenda!

I hope you make the right choice. Did you say what year model your Patrol is?

hi motherhen - sounds like you guys are pretty well set up - almost jealous particularly if you are both retired
my current patrol is 2004 series iv 3.0 td (demo unit i got a good deal on) when i traded in my prev 2001 3.0 L td at 128K kms in mid 2005 and quite glad to get rid of my 2001 although never had any trouble with but it was a dog very down in performance which is probably why it did not go bang like many others - 2001 patrols are really a no no IMHO - those from 2002 on when they made the change with the oil sensor are fine in my book .
dont do many kms in my patrol cause work gives me a car and are about to give me a 2007 CR TD 3.0 L 4x4 dual cab Rodeo to play in so will be interesting to see whats its like as pick it up at end of month
to be honest just about any good quality diesel mechanical shop should really be able to do the chevy / auto trany conversion provided you can source the needed gear etc so maybe look around to see if anyone else in WA with a good name - if the other mob are a bit ordinary
me well i am not really looking at f250s cause they do seem to have warranty and mech issues by the bucket full and thats probably why i did not committ to buy one last year apart from the 70 Ks they wanted - know one guy who has one and not happy but another guy he knows well has never had a problem so luck of the draw i spose
so my personnel current options are - stay with the patrol 3.0 L and buy the smallest lightest off road caravan i can find or go with a bushtracker 16 ft or similar off road van and get an engine upgrade chevy or 4.2 to my patrol or pick up a low kms toyo 4.2 but then i just hate IFS on a real off road 4wd
no perfect compromise i guess - like everybody else i pays the money and hopes for the best
see you greg

Greggu,

",,,,,,,,,but truckster is pretty right really expensive to run and resale value way down when wish to move it on,,,,,,,,,"

No, Truckster is wrong on both counts. Try checking yer TD42 and ZD30 fuel consumption when towing heavy and see how it compares with a 6.5 Chev. The TD42 needs its own tanker behind it when towing and it's as slow as wet week in Geelong whilst doing it! I know, I used to own one. The difference is the TD42 and the ZD30 are both working very hard when towing. The Chev isn't working that much more than normal runnning. It's "working hard" that puts the consumption through the roof.

Resale value. Seems to hold up well over here in the West.

And as for running cost - ya don't to keep bolting gauges into it to see if it’s gonna blow up, you can do your own servicing on it easy as pie and save a fortune per year.

Motherhen,

What grounds does your son specify for staying away from “aforementioned 6.5 Chev conversion company”? Has he worked with ‘em, has had work done by ‘em? Is he a Quality Control Engineer. Is he an engineer of any type at all?

I’ve had many dealings with Brunswicks and I can’t praise ‘em highly enough. This is in compete contrast to Toyota and Nissan dealers who don’t seem to care what sort of BS they make the customer eat as long as they make profit out of it. That comment is based on my own experience. What’s your son’s comment based on?

Your comments about “standing starts and steep hills and low range selection”?? You are joking surely? You put up with that nonsense and yet you knock the Chev 6.5? Well at least I’m no longer angry, I’m ROTFLMAO instead!

Just keep bolting gauges onto it. After all that’s another cost that nobody seems to take in to account isn’t it??.

Ya see, the point I’m making is that yer all whining about how yer current engines in yer current cars won’t do this and won’t do that and yet you knock the crap out of an engine that will do it all standing on its head! Amazing!

And all at at cost less than 50% of 100 series TD Landcruiser,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Bilbo – “The still not got back in bed and got out again hobbit”

Hi Bilbo - Glad you have had all good experiences with them - i am pleased to have read of a number of happy customers like yourself. I have never made any recommendation for or against them or for that matter any Nissan or Toyota dealer either, here or anywhere else. No further or in depth comments on the forum from me. The conversion would certainly be the cheapest option, but it may not be the one we choose.

Like Greg, we have not made our minds up in a hurry, and we are still undecided - it is a lot of money either way - one way just a lot more! The 3 litre is a great car and most of them don't go bang, but we expect a lot from it when towing a heavy caravan, so do it the best way we can. With us, the auto may be more limiting than the 3 litre motor - great little motor, but may not last for huge kms.

'A bit envious of you with a V8' chook

bilbo i think waht the truckster was saying is that fuel is going to get more expensive no matter what and the bigger the engine the more expensive the everyday fuel bill over time and i sort of agree with him but not totally - but yes your right with the 3.0 td with dtronic i get 8 to 9 kms to the litre arond town but 5 kms to the litre when towing the KK on bitumen - i dont even wont to know what i get when towing on sand or in 4 wd on rough tracks and no doubt a big v6 or v8 does not lose in the deisel consumption stakes as much regardless of the weight its towing behind.
Mate stay with your v8 and i may not be that far off having something similar myself and give motherhen a break for to shell out $20K plus on a chevy engine is a reasonably big decision for most of us as we are not WA prospectors and dont have a bloody gold mine or a diamond mine like you probably do
incidently it never ceases to amaze me how these threads generate a life and a topic of their own at times - how the hell did we get onto jeeps
see you greg
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motherhen please don be concerned as i dont feel you have anything to be concerned about - but just a word of advice after bilbos comments - when you comment on this forum i would always (and i usually do ) use the word allege when making a possibly challengable or any sort of comment that can be interpreted as a negative statement - in other words if your allege something like poor workmanship etc, poor reputation etc, poor warranty record etc about a company, brand or person then there is little chance of legal issue arising if you make it an allegation - the legal advice i have received in the past is that it cannot be challenged in legal terms - it can be refuted or denyed but it cant be legally challenged - worth remembering
see you greg

>>> ",,,,,,,,,but truckster is pretty right really expensive to run and resale value way down when wish to move it on,,,,,,,,,"

No, Truckster is wrong on both counts.
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So you know what resale is going to be ??? LMAO!

That's cool Greg - In fact i didn't allege anything, and I was the first to mention BD and then Linquip on your thread (which is of great interest to me), looking up the latter as you had asked for a Co in Qld. We got a quote from BD and year or two ago and it is still an option (but would most likely cost more now). Advice we get from others based on their first hand experience (as well as our own) will of course be considered in any decision - that is why we ask questions and ask these things on the forum, as well as in the wider community and of course after discussion with our immediate family. I value the feedback i have received over the years from this forum, and have made modifications or purchases based on this info. We get hard cold facts from company websites, but nothing beats in the field experience, like we get from the forums, even if we get people with differences of opinions firing at each other - eg just start a thread on the old Patrol v Cruiser debate (i love it - because we have both LOL).

Regards MH

Truckster,

I can only judge resale on what Ron Krikke Motors in Bunbury is asking and getting for his stock of V8s and he stocks a lot of 'em regularly

Although I must admit to being selfish on this point - I'll be keeping mine for the next 10 years -I'll be 70 then and prolly well past it, as well as bleep in' myself - so, Resale? Who cares!!

All I'll be needing is an electric gopher cart to get the to heart specialist and the urolgist.

Insurance - mine is $487.00 fpr $30,000 plus extras and the usual other stuff.

I have another guy that I recommended to Western QBE who's also dumping his 2005 TWICE rebuilt ZD30, he's got his insurance for $568.00 for $65,000.00. He's coming over from NSW to have the motor fitted at B'wicks and staying at my place whilst he's here. He was quoted $1600.00 in NSW for a lesser sum. Obviously NSW just doesn't understand that a 6.5 diesel V8 is NOT a 6.5 Petrol V8.

Laugh all you like Truckster. I know who's winning, who' losing, who's having fun and who's still messing about trying to make a TD42 go quicker & cooler..........'n it'll still never catch me.

Here's the URL for Deano's story - the guy mentioned above. It's another sad ZD30 story. Blew up twice in 5,000 kms from what I recall,,,,,,,,,,,he never, ever wants to deal with Nissan again.

It's a long thread - read it and weep,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Site Link

Bilbo - "I was in love with Nissans but not anymore hobbit"

thanks peter 2 you are obviously very well informed
may take the liberty to tap in to your info base if do go with the chevy conversion
appreciate the feed back
see you greg

Apparently the Patrol auto with suitable tweaking will handle the extra grunt but you will need the diff ratios changed to drop cruising revs.
My Humvee with the 6.2, 4 speed box, Shippshape on top, loaded for a trip (3.7T) is getting 15.5 -15.75 l/100k cruising in the 95 -100 range, so a Patrol being lighter should do better.

thanks peter2
must say i would be a bit concerned about the nissan 3.0 L auto box with the chevy donk up grade but then you may well be right as have not really looked into it - i just assumed it would not take the extra torque
thanks and see you greg

Greg, we would certainly change the auto gearbox if doing a conversion, for what we need. Also even after 'tweaking', how you would stand as the auto if only rated to tow 2,500 tonne, based on the i understand, the braking capacity of the auto gearbox? I would think still only legal to tow to 2,500 t.

Lucy,

A Jeep? Really? A Jeep?

Oh not, not a Jeep.

There are 2 trucks I will never own - A Jeep and a Landrover.

I'd rather two me caravan with me pushbike,,,,,,

Bilbo - "The very strong legged hobbit"

crikey a bloody jeep how did a jeep get into this thread
if you see me driving a jeep you know i am dead and gone to hell i will never own a soft off roader like a jeep
bye lucy

Pay no attention to that "Lucy" character.......... His name used to be "Lucky", but then he bought the Jeepney from Hell and had to sell a constinant (he chose to lose the "K") to pay for all the chips (electronic thingo's that are very sophisticated......they fry _themselves_.....LMAO) that the damn Jeepney needs.

Why, Lucy has even had to build a massive great trailer that has oodles of packing space in large chequerplate boxes.........if he owned any other sort of vehicle he could have used those massive boxes for storing all manner of camping gear. However, as it stands now, he has them filled to overflowing with various computer chippies and replacement chrome grease nipples for the various computers etc etc Note, he also has to carry a whole array of spare bulbs; tiny little bulbs that go into the dash.....there are about 53 different idiot lights on the dash and they spend more time "ON" that "OFF". As a consequence, he has the removal of the instrument cluster down to a 2.4 minute job (he has do it at least 5 times a day, so no wonder he's getting good at it).

Sorry, my puter is just about to die......it tends not to work too well when the keyboard is so wet from all the tears I'm dropping onto it as I ROFLMAO.....hahahahahahahaha

Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo

mate what an absolutely brilliant idea
maybe we should bring in ourselves and go into business converting 3.0 L td GU s
see you greg

got to be an opportunity for someone hey

JD,

Now THAT is a 'kin good idea! And one I've thought about often - why not, I've thought? It's simple, effective, cost efficient etc.

But I think Brunswicks may have already cornered that market!

We should demand the 4wd makers STOP bleep in' about with tiny, 4 cylinder, high tech, short lived, high maintenance, finicky, highly stressed, European sewing machine engines that only go as far as Tescos for the shopping on a Saturday and give us one that's as reliable as the old TD42/ SD33 Nissan motor, pulls like a Toyota 1HDT-Fe motor on full song and lasts as long as a 1985 4.2 Ford Falcon petrol engine or the old Nissan P40 petrol motor.

Not a lot to ask for our hard earned dollars is it?

Bilbo - "the old cast iron, big cubes hobbit"

I thought Id throw a Toyota in the ring, just a bit of fun, as you can see its a 06 RV 4.2 TD and the old man reckons he has trouble keeping it under 110kph with the van on.
He was also told that if he took it back under 150000 ks they would give him a good trade on the new V8 diesel.
Hope your feeling better this evening.
Cheers Steve.