Battery charging from Alternator

Submitted: Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 15:30
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Hi All,

I have a 100AH aux AGM battery in the LC80 with standard alternator. During a day camping running a raft of equipment the voltage drops to 12.5v (or 50%).

Does anyone have an idea how long it should take to recharge to 100%?

Thanks,
Alex
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Reply By: Robin - Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 16:00

Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 16:00
What type of charge controller Alex ?

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Follow Up By: Member - Alex K (NSW) - Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 16:05

Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 16:05
Is the charge controller the voltage regulator?
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Follow Up By: Robin - Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 16:23

Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 16:23
Hi Alex

No - not car volts regular.

Really need more details on your dual battery setup, it could be straight connection ( parallel to main battery) . In which case it will never fully charge

Or voltage senstitive relay type e.g. redarc - unlikely to get to 100% but will get a fair way in a few hours

Or a setup voltage charge controller e.g. arrid - probably take 2-3 hours and is only type capable of 100% in less than a full days drive

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Reply By: drivesafe - Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 16:50

Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 16:50
Hi Alex, unfortunately, using the volts measured from the battery while it’s in use does not give you a very accurate indication of the State of Charge ( SoC ) of your battery but in any case, at 12.5, your battery is somewhere between 75% and 90% charged but even if your battery is about 50% SoC and providing you have decent sized cable, both positive and negative, these are just rough times but a 2 to 3 hour drive will get the bulk of the charge back and a 4 to 5 hour drive will probably get your battery up to 95% charged.

With the correct size cable and and everything operating properly, there is no reason why any vehicle can’t fully charge batteries to at least 95% and if anyone says they can charge a battery to 100% while it’s in the vehicle please ask them to prove it because there is no practical way of accurately determining if a battery is more that 95% charged.

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Follow Up By: Member - Alex K (NSW) - Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 17:12

Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 17:12
Thanks for the info. Out of interest, what's the relationship between SoC, total battery capacity and time to rechange.

For example: if a 100ah battery at 50% SoC takes 3 hours to get back to 95% SoC, would a 200ah battery at 50% SoC take 6 hours to get back to 95% SoC or could the alternator provide more current to maintain a 3 hr change time?
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Follow Up By: drivesafe - Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 17:56

Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 17:56
Hi again Alex, depending on the type of battery(s) and the size of your alternator, the charging time should be roughly the same for 100 A/H and 200 A/H for the average alternator. Anything much bigger than 200 A/H will then depend on just how big your alternator is.

Remember, these are all rough figures because there are a number of factors that can effect charging of any batteries so this info is very generalised but a standard 100 amp wet cell battery with about 50% SoC will probably pull about 20 amps MAXIMUM, initially and as the battery charges, the current will drop and a 200 amp wet cell or 2 x 100 amp wet cells in parallel will pull at MAXIMUM around 40 amps.

AGMs may in fact NOT draw as much initially but will draw the same current constantly till they are near fully charged and even this can vary greatly between brands.

Now this should get a whole host of arguments going but as I stated at the beginning, this is a generalisation and for a starter, no charging voltage level is mentioned. This in itself, is the single most important factor when working out the charging time of any battery, so the figures posted above are just basic instances.

Alex, you will need a lot more info relating to your own set-up to be able to get a far more accurate idea of charging times required.

Cheers.
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Reply By: Member - lyndon K (SA) - Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 22:07

Monday, Mar 19, 2007 at 22:07
Well i'm no expert, but i fully charge my 3x50 amp excide orbitals AGM with my 80 amp christies charger in about 1.5hrs, 2 hrs max. About the same time it takes when driving. Remember if stationary at idle your alternator may not be providing much charge, i set my idle to about 1600rpm, get a auto electrician to check your alternator output to make sure it's working fine and at what idle you should set your vehicle to get a resonable charge rate when stationary
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