GQ rattling in sand
Submitted: Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 15:01
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GU-Troll
Hi,
I dont know if anyone else has had this problem. Recently I have taken the GQ up to the Alkimos/Pipidinny and just last weekend took it to
Wedge Island. Both occassions were sand and beach work.
When I am on the sand either in 4 or 2wd, I hear a rattling noise coming from the rear driveline. It sounds like something is really loose, but we have checked underneath and not spotted anything. It only really happens when Im doing sand/beach work and usually in softer sand and corrugations.
Has anyone else experienced anything similar or know what it possibly could be?
Cheers
Ashley
Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 15:23
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 15:23
Hi Ashley,
Got a Hayman Reece style towbar? Often its the square tougue rattling in the bar. Give it a few shakes and see if its the cause.
Cheers
Captain
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Follow Up By: GU-Troll - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 15:29
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 15:29
Its not a hayman reece, just a standard towbar.
The sound is definately coming from the driveline, it mainly does it while under power and not while coasting.
A friend mentioned the LSD, but I havent had enough experience with them to know what could be causing the rattling.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 15:32
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 15:32
Might pay to
check the uni joints, is there any movement in them? Hopefully its not the diff, usually means $$$.
Cheers
Captain
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Reply By: Camoco - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 16:02
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 16:02
Hi Ashley,
A fair chance it is not this but something to
check just the same.
See if your rear sway bar has come adrift. I had one of the support bars break and it rattled like crazy when off road but not a tinkle elsewhere.
Worth a look.
Cheers Cam
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Follow Up By: GU-Troll - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 16:13
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 16:13
It must be something along these lines, like you say it never makes a peep anywhere but when Im in sand.
Very frustrating and usually turns heads on
the beach when it sounds like the car is falling apart.
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Reply By: Niffty - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 17:23
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 17:23
What you mean GQs arent suppose to rattle?
Mine does in most situations!
But seriously folks I would get under and shake the chite out of the muffler and see if its the baffles, thee buggers are noisy when they let go.If I am right you can drop of the six pack later.
Niffty (GQ) HQ
Perth
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Follow Up By: GU-Troll - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 17:47
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 17:47
I think the six pack is safe, Its got a fairly new full 3" system fitted when the turbo was strapped on. It only does the noise in sand.
We first thought it was a loose wheel but that was tight, then I got the brakes redone.. It sounds like a loose bearing cap type sound. very odd.
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Follow Up By: Niffty - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 18:11
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 18:11
Sounds strange!I would nudge the GQ up to some thing solid (your mates Toyo) put the thing in 4wd (in the sand) and give it a push, you will find out if its the diff/gearbox or drive train problem.If this checks out ok Id go back to loose stuff again.Get some one to listen out side.Can you narrow it down to front or back ,left or right? Is it worse on up/downs or weaving along wheel tracks on
the beach.
Niffty GQ HQ
Perth
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Follow Up By: GU-Troll - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 18:22
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 18:22
The sound definately comes from the back wheels area, bit hard to pinpoint exactly where since it only does it while moving. We have had our heads underneath while easing out the clutch to look for signs of movement but no luck.
Rattling sound usually happens in soft sand and over flat or undulating/corrugated ground in straight lines and turning mainly when traction is reduced. It never happens on bitumen no matter how rough it is. It makes me wonder if it is something to do with the LSD since the only main difference from sand to bitumen would be traction
Another thing to note it that I have only noticed it when the tyre pressure is reduced as I dont recall it happening before I unleashed the trusty stauns last weekend in
Lancelin before getting on the track.
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Follow Up By: Niffty - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 19:26
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 19:26
What about reversing? Might be the trusty stauns hitting the rims :) Grabbing at straws now!
Niffty GQ HQ
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Follow Up By: gunabat - Wednesday, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:49
Wednesday, Mar 21, 2007 at 11:49
If has got rear disc brakes
check the deflector plate that covers the disc they crack around the three bolts that hold them on .To fix just remove the plates and weld a big flat washer to the plate over the holes and cracks. hope this is your problem ( cheap to fix)
cheers Guna
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Follow Up By: kiwicol - Thursday, Mar 22, 2007 at 14:16
Thursday, Mar 22, 2007 at 14:16
have to agree with gunabat have had the same prob took a while to figure out also change the rear diff oil and replace with LSD oil Col
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Reply By: donks1 - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 17:45
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 17:45
are you sure it's a rattle......? don't want to scare you but it could be the chain in the transfer jumping teeth....
explains doing it under load and not coasting....
i susspect unis would would rattle more when not under load
donks
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Follow Up By: Marn - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 21:45
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 21:45
Unis are funny things. They wear in one spot where the diff usually sits. When placed under load (such as in sand) your diff will actually roll in its mounts a certain amount (due to torque on the diff) which makes the uni work out of its usual comfort zone hence the clicking noise. They will also do it sometimes when you back off( reverse to the sand thing) Very hard to pick sometimes. Cheers marn
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Reply By: GUJim - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 20:18
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 20:18
Have a look at the stone shield (I think that's their purpose) plates over your rear brake disks. In both the GQ's I had these plates developed fractures where the mounting screws go through and rattled on rough surfaces. You may need to remove them (easily done) to
check them properly. I had steel washers welded over the screw holes to
mine which both mended and reinforced them. No more rattles (from there at least!).
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Follow Up By: Member - Luke (SA) - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 22:15
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 22:15
I have also welded a rear brake disk stone shield on a GQ before. Noticed it was rattling. Might be worth a
check
The GQ was my dads (Member-Borgy)
Cheers Luke
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 20:29
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 20:29
Could be rear wheel bearings need tightening. Very hard to spot without releasing axel at the hub.
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Reply By: Sparkie C - Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 23:39
Tuesday, Mar 20, 2007 at 23:39
Check the backing plates / stone sheilds on the disc brakes
mine on the GQ had fatigue cracks around the mounting screws and used to vibrate and rattle under load . Welded up the cracks and the noise disappeared.
Cheers Sparkie
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Reply By: anglepole - Wednesday, Mar 21, 2007 at 09:11
Wednesday, Mar 21, 2007 at 09:11
It is probably the limited slip diff.
Cheers
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