Landcruiser V8 Auto Touque Convertor Lockup
Submitted: Sunday, Mar 25, 2007 at 21:30
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Go-N-Grey (WA)
Recently purchased new V8 LC Auto and Off road Supreme Territory Van (22') Over 6.5 tonne AUW when we are on the road. (This is our retirement package, and I'm still working for another 5 years but I am going to live before I retire/die- Buy a real one when I do)
Took a proving trip last weekend over 500K and noticed significant variations in fuel consumption.
18l/100km to 30l/100km. Understand the higher figure with 20kn headwinds and sitting on 90km/hr, something my previous TD diesel pajy couldn't manage with a 17' van, but noticed interesting behaviour on the flat between Gingin and
Perth were the wimds dropped and I sat on 85km/hr.
If I engaged the cruise control at 85km/hr the engine ran at 2000 rpm and often dropped to a lower gear on slight inclines. If I drove it manually, accelerated to about 90, and then backed off the revs would drop to 1825rpm for the same speed, and never change much with slight inclines and decents.
It appears the TQ locks up if you back off, and I was wondering if any improvement to fuel consumption occurs if t his happens. i certainly won't tow the van with cruise control anymore, It is very efficient and maintains speed if it shifting back 3 gears is necessary.
Reply By: Chaz - Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 00:46
Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 00:46
Go-N-
Grey
When towing with an auto, it pays to lock the converter as soon as possible. This does improve fuel consumption, but more importantly it reduces heat buildup in the transmission. There are manual converter locking kits available for the cruiser from Wholesale Automatics in Vic.
I made my own up for the Patrol by tapping into the wire that feeds the converter solenoid from the TCU. It’s reasonably easy to do and works
well providing you don’t lock it too early and use a relay off the brake light switch to disengage it.
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Reply By: normglenda - Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:21
Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:21
I also have a LC 100 V8 L/cruiser and tow a 2.5 tonne van. I am not right up with the detailed function of " Touque Convertor Lockup ". It does explain why when I am in cruise control at say 90 KPH @ 2100 RPM and when travelling "easy" or without cruise control engaged the RPM drops to say 2000 RPM at the same speed. Does that mean the torque convertor has locked up? So is the objective to travel at any given speed at the lowest RPM?
Would someone mind giving a bit further detailed function of the Tq converor or have I got it basically correct. Also it is highly recommended to install a Tq maual lock up switch when towing.
Thank you
Norm
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Follow Up By: Chaz - Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 19:13
Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 19:13
Norm,
You have basically got it right. The main function of the lock up feature is to keep the converter and transmission cool when in overdrive. You’ll find all four speed or overdrive equipped auto’s use lockup converters. Overdrive creates a large amount of slippage in the converter which generated too much heat, particularly at lower vehicle speeds. Some transmissions won’t go into overdrive without locking and this makes the transmission just as efficient as a manual when the converter’s locked.
I’m not familiar with the LC100 auto’s wiring, but you’ll need to look at the circuit diagram and find the wire from the transmissions control unit to the converter control solenoid. Then you could use my circuit and do it in a similar way that I have.
This method allows you to hold the converter locked for maximum engine braking on downhill descents as
well as unlock it every time you stop to avoid stalling your car. I’m not sure if these features are beneficial to you because I don’t think the LC100’s transmission can lock in 1st gear.
To do it you only need a few relays and switches, I think all up it only cost me around $60 and a few people on the forums have had it done by an auto sparky for around $120, using my circuit.
Chaz
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Reply By: normglenda - Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:48
Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 11:48
Just a
point of interest I called a tarnsmission place and they said $220 for the lock up device as pictured in Go-N-
Grey's link , appears overpriced compared what Go-N-
Grey has done to his Patrol. Any advice on what parts and how I can do my LC V8 landcruiser myself.
Norm
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Follow Up By: anoldbuddy - Tuesday, Mar 27, 2007 at 14:33
Tuesday, Mar 27, 2007 at 14:33
Norm and others,
I would suggest using caution when attempting to interface to the 5 speed A750 (I think) auto in the LC100 or Prado without a tested solution. Experts advise that the unit uses fairly sophisticated -ve and +ve switching and you need to be confident that any small switching breaks (moments when relays are changing over) won't garble the computer control or cause unimagined grief or processor lockups.
The concept is good but I would wait for someone to do the hard yards and have a tested product. The guys at Wholesale automatics in Victoria have not done one of these units yet.
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Reply By: Go-N-Grey (WA) - Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 19:45
Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 19:45
Any thoughts on what this might do to New Vehicle warranty, I guess Toyota wouldn't take kindly to this modification, but it certainly makes sense. I note the LC has a very large auto transmission oil cooler.
If stops the cruise control from changing gears every time it sees a corrugation, it would make the cruise control useful while towing. I gather the TCU cant change gears unless the TQ is unlocked.
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Follow Up By: Chaz - Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 21:56
Monday, Mar 26, 2007 at 21:56
I often change gears with the converter locked, but I suspect that your cruise control is dropping the gears back because it’s trying to maintain a speed that you’ve set. Cruise control isn’t very efficient, particularly in hilly terrain. Good on the flat, but you’ll use much more fuel in the hills.
I think Toyota wouldn’t endorse this modification and dishonor your warranty. I did this to my Patrol shortly after it was new, but Nissan wouldn’t have had a clue that it was there. I switch it off when it goes in for servicing. Now with over 90,000km on the clock, it’s out of warranty, but still performs brilliantly.
Chaz
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