battery chargers
Submitted: Tuesday, Mar 27, 2007 at 23:00
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The Rambler( W.A.)
Thinking of buying a 3 stage battery charger to use with the camper trailer while stationary for a few days.Will a Honda eu10i run a 10 amp or maybe 20 amp three stage charger while also running the 40 Engel fridge while the battery isbeing charged? Have looked at the specs. on some of thesechargers but they don't seem to give what watts they draw off the gene.Am using a 115a/h battery on the camper.
Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Tuesday, Mar 27, 2007 at 23:41
Tuesday, Mar 27, 2007 at 23:41
Honda would be about the same as my 1kva Yamaha inverter gennie. I've had that running 5 fridges and 3 battery chargers and it barely ever got out of eco setting (only when Pesty's bloody great 110 litre waeco or another bloke's 80 litre waeco, cut in). The fridges we were running, all at the same time at xmas 2004, were Waeco 110, 80 & 50 plus Engel 80 and 40. The battery chargers were my 2 x 15amp 3 stage chargers plus another one (6 amps I think).
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Reply By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 00:04
Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 00:04
Hi Rambler,
50 Amps at 12 Volts is still only 600 Watts load not including some losses and inefficiencies in the charger.
So a 10 or 20 Amp charger will be 120 or 240 Watts load on the gennie respectively. (Excluding some small losses and inefficiencies in the charger)
You could theoretically go as high as an 80 Amp charger as
well as the Engel on 240 Volts and still come in under the 1000 kva rating of an EU10i.
Geoff
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:32
Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:32
baldness is from watching wallabies?
i wore
mine off on the bedhead......
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:53
Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:53
The bedhead would be more fun!!
Oh, before the pedant nazi's nab my post, yes "1,000 kva" is a typo. I noticed it just as I'd hit submit.
The correct value is either "1,000 va" or "1 kva"
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Reply By: Grungle - Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 07:51
Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 07:51
Hi Rambler,
I have run a 30A and 40A 3-stage charger at the same time off of our EU10i. It laboured when both turned on for a couple of minutes but settled down after that.
A general rule of thumb for conversions between AC watts and DC amps is to divide/multiply by 10. This is not an exact conversion however and does not take into consideration startup requirements of some accessories/appliances but is a good enough guide for selecting cable sizes etc for
inverters and associated equipment.
Therefore in my situation above it was approximately 800W (both chargers put out more current than claimed - 36A and 43A respectively).
Some other examples:
Powering a 1000 watt AC appliance via an inverter will consume approximately 100 amps DC from a battery.
Charging a battery at 50 amps DC will require approximately 500 watts AC.
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Follow Up By: Grungle - Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 07:58
Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 07:58
Forgot to mention about the fridge. The charger will adjust its current output to maintain a certain voltage during float mode (doesn't matter during boost mode as it puts out max current).
So when we have our fridge connected and the batteries are charged with the charger in float mode, current into the batteries is 0 amps but charger is supplying 5-7 amps to the fridge. I have digital amp meters and shunts in a couple of locations to
check how things are going.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:41
Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 08:41
I bought a Power Saver 25A 3 stage smart charger. Seems a beauty - I put a fair drain on my starting battery the other day - cranking over the diesel trying to get it running after a fuel issue - was starting to embarrass the battery by the time I had it running. The 3 stager had the battery full as a goog in about 45 minutes I think - an unscientific
test of course, but I was surprised how fast it topped it up.
I use the Yam version of your Honda............As I see it (but I'm no tech)......
The Yam (1000W peak/short term, but 900W for continuous running) will run a 25A charger with plenty of capacity to spare.
It seems in rough terms 25A x 12 Volts output on the charger = 300 W draw on the 240 side - 1/3 the capacity (I realise that draw and output are probably not equivalent across that inverter generator).The fridge (probably 5A max) might need another 60W or so.
Seems you could fit a higher capacity charger into the equation or run more camping toys. I chose the 25A charger because it seemed to fit my needs at a reasonable cost. My charger was $350 GST incl. delivered to my door.
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Reply By: The Rambler( W.A.) - Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 10:48
Wednesday, Mar 28, 2007 at 10:48
Thanks for the replys and I didn't realise it was such a simple conversion--never too old to learn!I will be looking at the different type chargers today and have got a good price of $255 for a 20 amp three stage from an auto elec. friend of
mine.That is for a new one called Smart Charge.
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