100 Series configuration - How common?
Submitted: Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 09:33
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Scoey (QLD)
Hi all,
I'm looking at trading the old 80 Series in in about 12 months time. Ideally what I'm after is a TD 100 Series Auto with live axle front end. How common is this configuration as I'm thinking I may have to start shopping early to find what I want or compromise and go the Manual.
I've been pawing through the specs pages on RedBook but I think I may now be dumber for having done that! ;-) It only seems to list standard equipment and a couple of available options. Was the live axle an option or did it come standard on some models? I'm probably after a 2000-2002ish model (ie 5-7 years old) and have only heard good things about the 1HD-FTE.
Any help/advice/knowledge would be appreciated!
Cheers
Scoey!
Reply By: Pavo - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 09:43
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 09:43
I'm not a toyota expert, but I think that the 100 series T/D 1HD-FTE from factory never came with a live axle.
Now, I'm not sure once again, but I think it started with a 4speed auto in around 2000, but moved to a 5 speed later.
Pete
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 09:50
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 09:50
Thanks Pete, I'm starting to think the same the more I look. D'OH!
Cheers
Ross
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Follow Up By: Robnicko - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:01
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:01
Ill second that
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Reply By: Member - Dedalus (SA) - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 09:54
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 09:54
yes, if you need a live axle you have to buy an 100 series gxl diesel and go to a good mecanic to fit an aftermarket turbo .... I have read a comparo on 4wd montly between an aftermarket turbo and a toyora fitted turbo .... they said a better option the aftermarket!
Good luck!
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:17
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:17
Hey Dedalus,
That's interesting beacuase I had heard the opposite but only from word of mouth. I would be interested in reading a comparo - how long ago was this article in A4WDM, roughly?
Coz from what I can tell, the difference between turbo'd and not is roughly, 55kw and about 150nm! Nothing to be sneezed at - but I guess the question I have to answer is how much I'd lose in off road ability with IFS! :-S
Geez a TD 80 Series may be a better option too! :-S
Cheers
Ross
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 20:26
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 20:26
Guys, the best way to turbo a 1hz is sell it and buy a hdft from an 80 series....drive both and see for yourself...the 1hz is a better crawler through the bush, but it has nothing on a hdft multivalve direct injected 80 series motor.....they almost bolt straight in too....
well they do actually, just exhaust mods
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 20:49
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 20:49
Cheers Dozer!
Too much mucking around but for now!
Well I say that but wait till I've had a ocuple of days to mull it over and it might be a different story! hehe!
Cheers
Ross
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:29
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:29
Scoey,
As above, no live axle with 1HD-FTE 100series. The only way you get this combo is to get a post 2002 TD Troopie, but then you can't have auto.
If you want to buy a 1Hz and add an aftermarket turbo, there are a few negatives to deal with. Too much power and you'll bust the 1Hz, and the extra power destroys the smaller R151F gearbox, and fuel consumption will never be as good as a 1HD-FTE. If you can get an RV or GXL 1Hz with auto transmission, you'd be better off.
There are a few companies doing some more radical
suspension mods to the IFS now, to strengthen the arms and provide more lift, so you may want to consider those.
Then again, if the size is not critical the new Prado TD common rail is not bad.
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Follow Up By: Pavo - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 11:09
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 11:09
Yep - the Prado would be good, but he seems to want a live axle. But if he does decide the live axle isn't a necessity and size wise he can live with a Prado, it has a lot going for it. 180L tanks and spare wheel on the back are the first two that come to mind.
For the same money, you could buy a newer Prado. Or buy an older one and buy a full length roof rack with the saved money - how often do you really need all the space? Heaps of options.
Pete
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 11:33
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 11:33
Hey guys,
That's all good info. I can see more than a handful of sleepless nights before I get my bum in a new
seat! haha!
Pete - you're quite right in that I am very keen on a live axle. Not based on anything but the bad rap the IFS tends to get when it comes to strength and off road ability.
I'm not after a Cruiser for how much they can carry but the fact that I'm 6'6" and it's about the only thing I can fit in comfortably. When I bought my 80 I tried a fair number of vehicles (even a Trol! Whaich was a big thing for me to do! haha!) and it was the only thing I reckoned I could sit in for extended periods of time.
I have never owned a Diesel either so until I drive both a Turbo'd and non turbo'd model I think it will be hard to make a decision which way to go.
I will admit that I never thought of a Prado as an option and you make a good point about the rear wheel and the fuel tanks - definately worth checking out! But then again, they are IFS so we're back to square one in a smaller vehicle!
The biggest issue seems to be what motor is available with what front end setup. I think as the reply below says, I can join the far-queue for the vehilce I'm after. ;-)
Cheers
Ross
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Follow Up By: Member - MrBitchi (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 14:39
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 14:39
I'm 6'4". Went through the same dilemma looking for
mine.
The Pajero actually has marginally more legroom then the Landcruiser. Was seriously looking at a late model 80 series till I found that out...
Whatever you choose the IFS is really not an issue unless your really into hardcore stuff. More of an issue is the weak front diff.
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 15:54
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 15:54
Hey
John,
I'll also have to admit that I didn't try a Paj. I might have a sit in one!
As for the IFS, my dislike isn't based on anything other than I love how capable the 80 is and I wouldn't want to go for anything less. I'm not into anything real hardcore these days and want to be more set up for long distance touring with a loaded camper in tow. In saying that, I do want to do the Cape so I'm not sure if that qualifies as hardcore?
Cheers
Ross
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 19:50
Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 19:50
Ross the 120 Prado is very similar in size to an 80 series, slightly longer in fact. The IFS is not a huge worry as it has coil over shock front end with reasonable travel allowing for some modification whereas the 100 series has torsion bar front end with very limited travel & of course the lower control arm failure issues. You would always be able to mod up a 100 series more so than a 120 but for outback touring & as a general run about the Playdoe is a great option.
Cheers Craig......
HZJ105 Vic.
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Reply By: Dustin - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:46
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 10:46
Hi Scory,
If you find a source for a TD 100 Series Auto with live axle front end the let us know and then join the queue.
As far as I know the Auto box changed around 2001 or 2002 with the latest being superior to the old one, you may want to look more closely at this.
Join LCOOL, they will answer all your questions
www.lcool.org
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 15:57
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 15:57
G'Day Dustin,
Thats for
the tip RE the gearbox - I'll try and dig some info up on that!
I'm a member of LCOOL and have been for a while but I just haven't been getting the emails etc and I guess I forgot about that little fountain of knowledge! Cheers
Ross
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Reply By: cowpat - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 15:42
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 15:42
Scoey, as Phil points out there are reliability issues with the gearbox on the live axle with the NA motor, let alone if you turbo it.
If you really want a live axle turbo I'd go with finding a live axle 105 model and then getting a secondhand low-km 1HDT motor and gearbox to go with it. Or just keep/buy another 80 series! Casper
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 16:00
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 16:00
Hi Casper,
I think if you forced an answer from me right now, I'd choose the TD over a live axle. As for the gearbox troubles, are you refering to the Auto or the Manual gearbox?
Cheers
Ross!
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Follow Up By: Pavo - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 19:13
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 19:13
Incase cowpat doesn't come back, I'll answer. He's talking about the manual gearbox. Phil talks about it in his post above too - the R151F gearbox.
Pete
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 19:44
Thursday, Mar 29, 2007 at 19:44
Thanks Pete and thanks all, you have provided me with some very usefull information!
Cheers!
Ross.
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Reply By: Andy - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 07:48
Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 07:48
Hi Scoey,
I have a 2000 model GXL with after market Turbo fitted. It also has many accessories including Outback drawers. I have bought a new car and will be selling
mine in the next month if you are interested.
Cheers
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Scoey (QLD) - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 07:53
Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 07:53
Hi Andrew,
It's always the way isn't it. I won't be in a position to buy for another 6 months or so and even then I wasn't looking at doing anything for another 12 or so. Just at the very start of doing my homework! Thanks anyway!
Cheers
Ross
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Follow Up By: Andy - Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 07:55
Friday, Mar 30, 2007 at 07:55
No Worries
Ross.
Just thought I would suggest it.
Hooroo
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