Don't throw the map and compass away just yet....
Submitted: Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 07:25
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Mike Harding
Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 09:03
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 09:03
What happened to Y2K and the Computers
[[[....was an unexpected solar radio burst on December 6 that affected virtually every GPS receiver on the lighted half of Earth.]]]
Garmins must be really good , I don't recall getting lost last December
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Follow Up By: The Explorer - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 18:20
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 18:20
Maybe the solar radio burst also affected your memory:)
Cheers
Greg
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 09:05
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 09:05
Or don't travel to unknown
places in 2011 if you rely on your GPS?
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Reply By: DIO - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 09:05
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 09:05
Mike, don't panic - yet. Apparently it's not quite the disaster some 'doomsdayers' would have us believe. In fact it sounds a bit like the hysteria that gripped some people at the beginning of the year 2000. This will most likely be only a short interruption - if at all. p.s. watch out for falling planes though !
....'Ok GPS fans, we're prepping you early for what could be a moment of pretty severe inconvenience in the not so distant future. Brace yourself, because in roughly five to six years, your beloved handheld devices won't work for several hours due to solar flare activity (sound familiar?). According to new Cornell University research, solar flares negatively affect GPS devices, based on observations of stellar phenomena in September of last year. In 2011 or 2012, when the sun reaches its next solar maximum, scientists expect it to cause a 90 percent GPS signal drop for several hours. While most of us will walk around, oblivious to these space fireworks, Alessandro Cerruti, a Cornell graduate student who studies solar flare effects, envisions this horrific day as a "nightmare situation," given that all planes will likely have GPS signaling by that time. However, given these harbingers of doom, Dr. Paul Kinter, Cerruti's advisor, has a brilliant solution: "I think the best remedy is to be aware of the problem and operate GPS systems with the knowledge that they may fail during a solar flare." See, it's just that easy, people.'
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Reply By: Pajman Pete (SA) - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 10:45
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 10:45
"The technology is increasingly vital for activities including navigating cars and airplanes, bank financial transfers and more."
Bank financial transfers??? What the ...
Pete
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Follow Up By: greydemon - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 11:13
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 11:13
Someone please enlighten Pajman ....I am dying to know!
The only thing I can think of is that the article was badly written and meant that the solar flares would affect satellites in general, including those used for GPS, and others used for communication which would include electronic bank transfers.
But if someone knows that GPS is used for transfers please spill the beans.
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 14:47
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 14:47
I assume the banks / international financial institutions are using GPS timing signals which are accurate to 50E 10-9 seconds (ie bloody accurate! :) to coordinate electronic money transfers.
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 15:14
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 15:14
It's actually 200nS not 50.
tycho.usno.navy.mil/gpstt.html
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 15:58
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 15:58
Doesn't explain why money still takes 24-72hrs to appear in my accounts ;-)
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 16:29
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 16:29
Yes, it does. The banks are ripping you off - just as they have always done. Those few days of clearance enable them to lend on
the spot market with free money. Banks (and Real Estate agents) are parasites on the world economies.
Mike Harding
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Follow Up By: Angler - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 21:35
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 21:35
Banks are very
well organised, Where else can a company buy a product for often as low as 0.5% (savings interest)and sell it for up to 25%(credit card interest). Now thats what I call a good business.
Pooley
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Reply By: pedro the swift - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 11:33
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 11:33
re GPS and banktransfers. Dont you have to know where the monies are being transferred to! Might end up anywhere!
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 13:31
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 13:31
You mean their armored cars might get lost!!!!
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Reply By: Member - Duncs - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 17:40
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 17:40
The key word is in the headline "may", it does not say will.
A good few people made a lot of money about a problem which "may" cause all computers to crash when the new millenium comes around.
I aint buying any upgrades for the Magellan to avoid the solar flare problem.
Duncs
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Follow Up By: Mike Harding - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 17:46
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 17:46
Realistically, Duncs, there is nothing you can do - it's not that simple.
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Reply By: Twintrail(W.A.) - Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 23:56
Thursday, Apr 05, 2007 at 23:56
banks are just a licence to print money for them selves know i worked in the banking game long enough to learn all of this 25 years. regards Pedro
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Friday, Apr 06, 2007 at 16:23
Friday, Apr 06, 2007 at 16:23
Ionospheric Effects on GPS
Light, and radio wave travels at a constant speed in empty space, the velocity of light. Signals from GPS satellites are most effected by their passage through the ionosphere, the region above the atmosphere starting about 50 km up, where most of the very scant gas molecules present are ionised. Thus for instant, rather than oxygen molecules floating around, what's in the ionosphere are oxygen atoms that have lost one electron, called oxygen ions, together with electrons. Overall the ionosphere is neutral, but this mix of ions and elctrons is called a plasma and has several effects on light and radio waves, of which one is simply to delay passage. In order to compensate for the ionosphere, GPS signals are sent at two frequencies, so that for precise navigation, the ionospheric error can be roughly corrected. Nevertheless, even for the best precision GPS location, there's an error of about 30 m due to ionospheric uncertainies. If this figure appears large in comparison to various claims as to GPS accuracy, please note that our discussion is about ordinary GPS, using only a single receiver. Much higher accuracy in relative distances is obtained by Differential GPS.
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