Caravan Anti-sway bars - Legality

Submitted: Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 18:54
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Anyone ever experienced (or known) where an Insurance Company denied a claim on the grounds that the Vehicle/Van was NOT fitted with anti-sway bars?.
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Reply By: DIO - Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 19:15

Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 19:15
Beats me, after all the discussion on the subject, why anyone would NOT consider installing a Weight Distribution Hitch (WDH) regardless of any legal requirement or responsibility. It's all about your safety, your lives, your property and YES the lives of others too!
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Follow Up By: Kinggeorge - Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 19:24

Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 19:24
Yeah, I agree, I have one installed. The question arose when CONCEPT Vans welded a Treg Hitch to the UNDERSIDE of the A-Frame, making it impossible to fit the Anti-Sway bars. On querying this to Concept, they stated Anti-Sway bars were NOT Nessassary. (Question is: where do you stand in an accident without them).
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Reply By: Dion - Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 19:38

Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 19:38
Anti-sway bars are a totally different thing to WDH. A WDH uses torsion bars to maintain the level ride of towing vehicle and towed item, and are usually fitted symettrically (excuse bad spelling) about the draw bar and towing hitch. Anti-sway bars on the other hand are only nescessary to fit to one side, and there construction and purpose are in no way associated with torsion bars.
An anti-sway bar is to arrest the horizontal movement between the towing vehicle and the towed item. It usually consists of a sliding friction material within a housing connected by swivell couplings to the towing vehicle and the towed item. Normally there is an adjustement on them so that you can adjust the amount of friction so that the anti-sway suits the particular needs at hand.

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Follow Up By: Phillipn - Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 20:28

Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 20:28
Their is a product called Equalizer hitch. Their are no one selling them at present in Australia.

I purchased one from a place in Brisbane about three years back, but they have given up the dealership.

It fits into a hayman reece tow bar.

This device is for anti sway plus a weight distribution.

See www.equalizerhitch.com

They claim it make towing a caravan the same as towing a fifth wheeler. And I agree.

Check them out on the web site.

They will send them to Australia to private buyers.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 19:40

Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 19:40
Kinggeorge - there is no law that they have to be fitted is there? Does your policy say the van is not covered if they are not fitted? I doubt it - so they couldn't deny the claim on those grounds.
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Follow Up By: TroopyTracker - Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 20:50

Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 20:50
Motherhen,

Some manufacturers actually say a WDH MUST be used over a certain weight. Therefore if you tow over those weights without the WDH you are (technically) driving outside the manufacturers specs which could be then said to be unroadworthy/uninsured!

Ford for one do this. I think the Falcon has to have one fitted over something like 1750kgs. Actually, now I could be wrong on this, but.... I think the F250 is actually under the same restrictions (though many would not know/care). In this case I think it was anything over 2250kg and it's either recomended or compulsory, to fit a WDH. Not sure but if I'd just bought one I'd be checking it out ;-) Although now I think about it I wouldn't - having towed the van with and without I'd never go without it for anything more than afew k's.

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 21:15

Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 21:15
Hi Matt; we've always towed with - even on the tight turns and steep ups & downs (which we usually come on unexpectedly) where it is recommended to take them off. They haven't bent yet and it has always towed steady and well. We are of course reading up on Ford.
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Follow Up By: Kinggeorge - Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 22:17

Saturday, Apr 07, 2007 at 22:17
Hi Thanks Guys, for all the responses to this subject. My Insurance policy has no mention of WHD's, but COULD this come into contention if an accident occurs WITHOUT having them fitted and the Vehicle & Trailer are written off ???, Hmmm....Food for thought.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Sunday, Apr 08, 2007 at 00:04

Sunday, Apr 08, 2007 at 00:04
Kinggeorge
Depends what the tow'er is and the how big the van is, my units are , Troopy and a 20ft van , I have no bars and don't need them , tows like a dream ...not that it gets on the road much, been here since June 06 ,

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Follow Up By: Member - Charlie M (SA) - Monday, Apr 09, 2007 at 17:24

Monday, Apr 09, 2007 at 17:24
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Its rubbish that YOU don't need one a 20ft van would probably weigh 2000 plus kg`s, which means a ball weight of about 200kg. Would defiantly need WDH regardless of towing vehicle. You might get away with it but you never know one day you may not. AND it may be a innocent party that is hurt or worse. WDH is cheap insurance.
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Follow Up By: Member - Doug T (W.A) - Monday, Apr 09, 2007 at 18:57

Monday, Apr 09, 2007 at 18:57
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I was trying to work out when it was that you had a drive in my Landcruiser pulling the van . If it were to sway then I would look at getting a set, or is it the way some vehicles drag the ar$e on the ground when the van is on,yeh Ive seen them,If my unit were like that I would get a set , My unit sits straight, it might drop 1 inch when the van sits on the tow bar, And what is a sway bar got to do with tow ball weight , I have towed my unit from Bundaberg where I bought it, to Brisbane, then to Townsville, Mt Isa, Alice Springs, back to Cloncurry. My Isa , to Pt Augusta, Pt Lincoln, to Perth which is where it's at now ,and not once did i experience any sway .
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Reply By: Member - Russell H (WA) - Sunday, Apr 08, 2007 at 04:53

Sunday, Apr 08, 2007 at 04:53
Just a note for those who drive Land Rovers or Rangies with air suspension. According to Land Rover, WDH's must NOT be fitted to anything being towed by these vehicles. The reason is that the air suspension is self-levelling and it and the WDH fight each other.

I'm sure this would apply to other vehicle makes with self-levelling suspension - as the new 200 series LC is rumoured to have as an option when it is released.
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Follow Up By: TroopyTracker - Monday, Apr 09, 2007 at 09:58

Monday, Apr 09, 2007 at 09:58
Russell,

That is scary. No matter how many computers and servos the D3 or new Crusier have, they cannot defy the laws of physics. A WDH does more than level the rig, it distributes the weight over all 4 wheels-hence the D and the H bit bit. Alot more than the the maybe 250-350kgs of ball load when sitting still. From from what I've read this figure could be multiplied by up to something like 8 TIMES when undulating down an uneven road. From what I've felt towing a caravan weighing in over 3000kgs I agree.

I was aware of this situation with the D3 as a member on another list actually managed to BREAK his tow hitch doing just that. The fact that Land Rover are flat out rejecting their fitment.............as smart as giving a vehicle a 4 tonne tow rating but only allowing 125kgs ball weight, land rover again :-( Surely the self levelling suspension could have its fuse pulled or something?? Even if only for towing. When they broke down on a couple of 4WD monthly tests I was dissapointed, but was still thinking about it, then I heard of this fella busting his hitch I lost interest. Perhaps if you can dissable the system, safe towing of large loads would be possible.

Doug T, you might have no need for one but I hope anyone thinking about towing a 20ft caravan doesn't read your post and think it applies to them. If you're going to tow your van afew hundred k's every 18months or so, on dead flat near emtpy roads, it might not pay to bother with a proper WDH, anybody else-get one.

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Reply By: Mikee5 (QLD) - Sunday, Apr 08, 2007 at 18:37

Sunday, Apr 08, 2007 at 18:37
Also don't forget the issue of Nissan Navaras (I think) where the manufacturer says NEVER fit anti sway bars. Search on this forum for their particular problems of towbar bolts snapping when you do!!!
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Follow Up By: disco1942 - Sunday, Apr 08, 2007 at 23:32

Sunday, Apr 08, 2007 at 23:32
It's the Pathfinder that has had the problems. The Navara has a different type of bar.

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